Rudy Chapa Training

Rudy s teammate wrote:

letsrun buffoon wrote:

That's debatable. His 28:32 as a high schooler is unbelievable.

...Listen, I was a teammate of Rudy's, and I highly recommend you don't state buffoonry crap like this unless you can provide cogent links.

I do remember reading that Rudy ran intense mileage in high school, I never remember him (or Alberto, or any of us) talking about our high school mileage or workouts -- we were too focused on, like, the NOW, the work outs in front of us, and more importantly, CLASSES, and omni-presently...the wonderful college women of the University of Oregon. --We just did not talk with each other in that era about our high school work outs, mileage, or even our current mileage, we were in a legendary program, and in the moment, and just did it, and talked about other stuff (our crazy high school teammates)(classes, proffs, WOMEN.)

...So, unless you have sources from Rudy's high school coach, or interviews, quotes from Rudy himself, PASS on stating an opinion here.

--What Dellinger posted for our morning or Sunday runs, was often different than what each individual did. You'll never know what Rudy actually did at Oregon unless he states it (or stated it). (Alberto did more, bank on it).

--I have since read that some teammates of my era, totally skipped their morning runs (shocked the hell out of me, I NEVER DID, --might have been better off if I had...had more rest.)

My impression was that Rudy was burned out on running by his Junior year, and I have no idea really why, because he did not talk about it, and because we did not ask him about it.

My guess, and it is only a guess, is that it was not due to high school or college, but a combination of the two.

Dellinger's workload was not light, and it was not as individualized as Bowerman's.

Dellinger was a very nice guy. And well thought of for that reason. But he was a technician, and not a tactician (as Bowerman was).

Bowerman could be an ass, but was always a genius beyond it all.

Dellinger was a nice guy, but he was not the rocket scientist that Bowerman most assuredly was. (Eccentric as he was.)

Bowerman was wicked, brilliant, preternaturally, intuitively, smart...with some luck involved.

Dellinger was very, very, very nice, but he was of very average intelligence.

Dellinger's 100% was 30% of Bowerman's 100%.

And it all has nothing to do with Oregon, in a way, it is just a part of American history that happen to happen in the same state.

You can find the same contrast in some other state, in some other field...

BTW, it was pretty normal in the day for high school coaches to overs state the work their athletes were doing, in order to throw competing coaches off the scent of what they were really having their athletes doing -- and that was in an era of total over training...

Racerdb wrote:

Here's a little insight to his HS training. It's from a recent interview with Carey Pinkowski.

http://www.garycohenrunning.com/

Excerpt from the interview...

"Coach Candiano (HS Coach) was an accomplished athlete himself in high school and at DePaul University. When he coached us he was still a relatively young guy and was fit so he ran with us and trained with us. He brought an insight and fresh perspective to cross country and was a real ‘hands on guy’ who took some decent runners and gave us direction and guidance. He created quite a group of guys out of a nucleus of six or eight kids who wanted to work hard. We trained twice a day in the off season and then once the success started it snowballed. Dennis Cordell was two years older than me and ran a 9:06 2-mile and then Chapa, Keogh and I followed the blueprint for success. We saw Dennis working hard and being champion at big meets and we realized if we worked harder than other kids we had that same chance to succeed. Coach Candiano helped us understand that our training may not pay off immediately, but like ‘money in the bank’ would pay off in a year if we kept adding to it. There were periods when we did only distance when we may have hit 120 or 130 miles a week, but it was all easy. The key was that we did most of it in a park on soft surfaces on a trail that was maybe two and a quarter miles around so that kept us healthy. A lot of times we ran 45 or 50 miles in the morning without a specific distance – it was for time. Another thing we did was we ran varied pace maybe picking it up on one side of the park. We did a lot of changing speeds so it gave us the ability to be stronger. We didn’t run sessions like repeat 4:30 miles or 67 quarters but we just got competitive with each other. It wasn’t really a goal for the three of us to break nine minutes for two miles – it just happened."

Rudy s teammate wrote:

letsrun buffoon wrote:

That's debatable. His 28:32 as a high schooler is unbelievable.

...Listen, I was a teammate of Rudy's, and I highly recommend you don't state buffoonry crap like this unless you can provide cogent links.

I do remember reading that Rudy ran intense mileage in high school, I never remember him (or Alberto, or any of us) talking about our high school mileage or workouts -- we were too focused on, like, the NOW, the work outs in front of us, and more importantly, CLASSES, and omni-presently...the wonderful college women of the University of Oregon. --We just did not talk with each other in that era about our high school work outs, mileage, or even our current mileage, we were in a legendary program, and in the moment, and just did it, and talked about other stuff (our crazy high school teammates)(classes, proffs, WOMEN.)

...So, unless you have sources from Rudy's high school coach, or interviews, quotes from Rudy himself, PASS on stating an opinion here.

--What Dellinger posted for our morning or Sunday runs, was often different than what each individual did. You'll never know what Rudy actually did at Oregon unless he states it (or stated it). (Alberto did more, bank on it).

--I have since read that some teammates of my era, totally skipped their morning runs (shocked the hell out of me, I NEVER DID, --might have been better off if I had...had more rest.)

My impression was that Rudy was burned out on running by his Junior year, and I have no idea really why, because he did not talk about it, and because we did not ask him about it.

My guess, and it is only a guess, is that it was not due to high school or college, but a combination of the two.

Dellinger's workload was not light, and it was not as individualized as Bowerman's.

Dellinger was a very nice guy. And well thought of for that reason. But he was a technician, and not a tactician (as Bowerman was).

Bowerman could be an ass, but was always a genius beyond it all.

Dellinger was a nice guy, but he was not the rocket scientist that Bowerman most assuredly was. (Eccentric as he was.)

Bowerman was wicked, brilliant, preternaturally, intuitively, smart...with some luck involved.

Dellinger was very, very, very nice, but he was of very average intelligence.

Dellinger's 100% was 30% of Bowerman's 100%.

And it all has nothing to do with Oregon, in a way, it is just a part of American history that happen to happen in the same state.

You can find the same contrast in some other state, in some other field...

BTW, it was pretty normal in the day for high school coaches to overs state the work their athletes were doing, in order to throw competing coaches off the scent of what they were really having their athletes doing -- and that was in an era of total over training...

jecht wrote:

Racerdb wrote:

Here's a little insight to his HS training. It's from a recent interview with Carey Pinkowski.

http://www.garycohenrunning.com/

Excerpt from the interview...

"Coach Candiano (HS Coach) was an accomplished athlete himself in high school and at DePaul University. When he coached us he was still a relatively young guy and was fit so he ran with us and trained with us. He brought an insight and fresh perspective to cross country and was a real ‘hands on guy’ who took some decent runners and gave us direction and guidance. He created quite a group of guys out of a nucleus of six or eight kids who wanted to work hard. We trained twice a day in the off season and then once the success started it snowballed. Dennis Cordell was two years older than me and ran a 9:06 2-mile and then Chapa, Keogh and I followed the blueprint for success. We saw Dennis working hard and being champion at big meets and we realized if we worked harder than other kids we had that same chance to succeed. Coach Candiano helped us understand that our training may not pay off immediately, but like ‘money in the bank’ would pay off in a year if we kept adding to it. There were periods when we did only distance when we may have hit 120 or 130 miles a week, but it was all easy. The key was that we did most of it in a park on soft surfaces on a trail that was maybe two and a quarter miles around so that kept us healthy. A lot of times we ran 45 or 50 miles in the morning without a specific distance – it was for time. Another thing we did was we ran varied pace maybe picking it up on one side of the park. We did a lot of changing speeds so it gave us the ability to be stronger. We didn’t run sessions like repeat 4:30 miles or 67 quarters but we just got competitive with each other. It wasn’t really a goal for the three of us to break nine minutes for two miles – it just happened."

45-50 in the morning? Although if they are going at, say, 6:00/pace, that would be 4:30 or so for 45 miles.