RYAN HALL will finish ??? at NYC

Sir Lance-alot wrote:

1) Makau

2) Kwambai

3) Gharib

4) Meb

5) Hall

6) Cheruiyot

7) dos Santos

Makau is reportedly out now:

I think Hall could finish in the top three now with Kwambai and Gharib ahead of him.

newname wrote:

How much different is the course NOW from back in 1980-1983 when Salazar ran 2:09, 2:08, 2:09 and Dixon ran 2:09:00?

Those times were very close to the fastest ever, and now the WR has progressed by ~4:15 or so (if you take DeCastella's 2:08:18 at Fukuoka as the WR for the time) so how come we don't see a bunch of 2:06's at New York?

Has NY ever used pacers? Without them, you tend to get tactical races and generally slower times. There isn't much point in using pacers because the course really is a minute or two slower than the WR quality courses. Dos Santos, in his first win, is the only one in recent memory that has really time trialed the course.

They used pacers until a year or two ago when they cut them out. Dos Santos has never really time trialed, he just ran his own race and then made a move at the end. Tergat and Baba let him go in the Bronx and then waited to late to move the first time he won. If that race had been a half mile longer they both would have beat him because he was going backwards in the park.

Wasn't the course short then? That's why Salazar's time didn't count?

Has Hall ever not had a wildly impressive performance in Manhattan? He not only destroyed at the trials but also remember his 12k XC victory at VCP. That was the first race where I really realized how ridiculously good he is. Off that I will have to predict a top three performance.

1. Cheruiyot 2:07

2. kwambai 2:08

3. makau 2:09

4. keflezighi 2:09

5. dos santos 2:09

6. hall 2:10

7. torres 2:10

8. gharib 2:10

You are high or a huge Torres lover to think he debuts in 2:10 at New York. Sub 2:15 is a great day for him.

And you're obviously a know-it-all but forgot that Torres has been one of the US's best distance runners for the past 10 years. I don't care if he's debuting or not. This distance is nowhere near a new thing for him.

Guess we'll see, won't we?

He'll go out too fast (ala Boston) , and then he will maintain with the chase pack. Only to see the leaders (3 maybe 4) get further and further away.

You see. Many Africans run for their livelyhood. They are hungry. Not like we can be, for food. But hungry for a better life. And this race, can privide that. Hall is complacent. He is happy where he is. He does not have the hunger.

All you need to do is look at what he did in the Olympics. No hunger. No willingness to "go fo it"

come Sunday, November 1st 2009. He either has to have an "all or nothing" attitude, or he's just there for a payday.

And, all or nothing is not a sprint (again like Boston) for the first 9 miles.

It is all or nothing when the hurting starts around 16 or 19 miles. Show everyone what you are made of for the last 40 or 50 minutes.

Then and only then will I believe.

Until then, he ain't no Joan Benoit.

All or nothing. Live it. run it. Breath it.

Yeah I would be very surprised if Jorge ran 2:10. I think 2:12 fastest, 2:18 slowest, most likely somewhere in between.

2:07 range in top 4.

Hall will take fourth behind gharib, kwambai and hendrick

Hill will surge away in the latter stages of the race. His winning time will be 2.05 high or 2.06 low.

Go Hall!

Hall 1st 2:06:55!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

His time is fast but compared to all time marathon list Hall times does not crack the top 100. Who are we kidding? I say he gets 4 or 5th at best on a good day.

run for free wrote:

His time is fast but compared to all time marathon list Hall times does not crack the top 100. Who are we kidding? I say he gets 4 or 5th at best on a good day.

Maybe in terms of the number of total performances, but I think he's still around the 25th fastest of all time. The odds are not stacked in his favor for Sunday, but don't act like he's so totally outmatched that there's no chance. He's got the 4th fastest PR in the field, so no, a "good day" would not be required for him to be 4th or 5th.

I can't believe no one is taking Gharib to win--this is a no brainer. The dude always comes through in big races and is tough as nails on a flat or hilly course. Two world championships, silver in Bejing in one of the toughest marathons ever....

Kwambai is awesome, but Rotterdam is flat as a pancake.

I say Gharib 2:07.41, Hall 2:08-low, Meb 2.09.15 (PB), Kwambai 2:09.30, Dos Santos (2:10.10), Abdi- 2:11.

Yeah, three Americans in the top six. That's going to happen. Meb ran a 2:09 in London and he's going to run another 2:09 in New York? He's probably more likely to DNF.

For the guy who said Hall's 2:06 doesn't rank in the top 100 ever, it's the 37th fastest time ever run.

Ryan Hall gets first place in 203:58. He blows a way the field and gets his picture on the front page of the New York times.