Galen Rupp vs. Scott Bauhs

I like Bauhs more than Rupp don't get me wrong. But honestly, Galen has already done enough in his career for Bauhs to be lucky to match it with his ENTIRE career. I think most of you would loser your boner for "blue collar" runners if you had the chance to gain access to the coaching and equipment that Rupp has provided for him. It's about getting better and doing everything (legal that is) possible to do just that.

shizzy wrote:

I think Bauhs is great. Always love to see the DII guys doing well. But, One of them is am Olympian and World Championships Qualifier in Track and one isn't and that make a world of difference.

I don't think anyone is arguing that Bauhs has accomplished more in his running career -- he hasn't. But I think there's a very strong argument that he has more potential room to improve and surpass Rupp. A year and a half ago, how many of us had even heard of Scotty Bauhs? Look how far he has come in the last few years. Rupp has been training at an elite level with elite athlete opportunities since he was in high school, I don't see any reason to think he would make a drastic improvement at this point, unless as a previous poster suggested he hasn't hit puberty yet.

Rupp's improvement curve has been relatively steady for as long as we have known him, while Bauhs seems to be improving at an exponential rate, a much faster one than Rupp's, I might add. And after he graduates, you've got to assume at this point that he's going to get some kind of sponsorship and probably start training with some other athletes of similar ability, something he probably hasn't had a lot of opportunities to do recently, and something that could help him improve even more.

Rupp has been improving steadily for the last 4 years, but not crazily. He ran 4:01 in high school, and hasn't broken 4 yet, something Bauhs accomplished (just after World XC too, so I'm not sure the "he was focusing on the 10k" excuse works for Rupp), and hasn't improved as much upon his 5k as you would've expected. He's got great potential, but I think looking at the evidence, you have to say that Bauhs has more room for improvement at the moment, and considering he isn't too far behind Rupp, it's not unrealistic to think that he could become better than Rupp at some point down the road.

Many of jack343's points are very valid.....many of them are exactly what i was thinking throughout this thread.....

On paper I'd bet on Bauhs to become better in the future but from every result i have ever seen, I'd pick Galen, meaning we have very little evidence and statistics to figure this out...... If you have some insight to what each of their training has been like, etc..... comment. If not, you are unrealistic to think you can predict the outcome of this comparison.

By all means I wold call this a great topic but to be honest, how can we compare?

*** NO sarcasm meant here......just thinking

the430miler wrote:

rupp over baughs.

any distance.

anytime.

anywhere.

How about the mile?

Bauhs will win the overall PR contest over Rupp when all is said and done.

And as one poster said, Bauhs went sub-4 on cross training, while Rupp still hasn't 4 years after running 4:01.

I think Bauhs could take Rupp in a 100.

Here's your actual, factual data/results after Bauhs defeated Nicodemus, etc., at the DII level.. many of you have very short selective memories.. many of you are the same that believe Bauhs would be an Olympian at 10,000m

Men 10000 Meter Run

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World: W 26:17.53 8/26/2005 Kenenisa Bekele, ETH

American: A 27:13.98 5/4/2001 Meb Keflezighi, Nike

OT: T 27:36.49 7/9/2004 Meb Keflezighi, Nike

Hayward: S 26:25.97 2008 Kenenisa Bekele, Ethiopia

Name Year Team Finals

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Finals

1 Abdi Abdirahman Nike 27:41.89

2 Galen Rupp unattached 27:43.11

3 Jorge Torres Reebok 27:46.33

4 Edward Moran Nike 27:52.10

5 Josh Rohatinsky Nike 27:54.41

6 James Carney New Balance 27:58.81

7 Adam Goucher Nike 27:59.31

8 Dathan Ritzenhein Nike 28:05.31

9 Sean Quigley Puma 28:21.96

10 Tim Nelson Nike 28:29.95

11 Edwardo Torres Reebok 28:35.91

12 Josh Simpson New York A C 28:37.16

13 Meb Keflezighi Nike 28:39.02

14 Daniel Browne Nike 28:42.78

15 Fasil Bizuneh New Balance 28:43.11

16 Scott Bauhs Cal. St. , Chico 28:54.32

17 Brett Gotcher McMillan Elite 28:54.89

18 Matthew Downin New Balance 28:55.66

19 Seth Pilkington Weber State 29:10.33

20 Michael Kilburg Portland 29:26.76

21 John Moore Portland 29:26.79

22 Steve Sundell New York A C 29:35.86

23 Louis Luchini Oregon TC Elite 29:42.78

24 Stephen Haas Team Indiana Elite 29:57.45

25 Seth Summerside adidas 30:52.33

look at me more wrote:

Rupp is already ABLE to run 27:20 or faster, he just HASNT yet.

and based off his 5k Turkey Trot time a few days ago Scotty Bauhs is ABLE to run much faster than 13:30 he just HASNT yet.

I hate when people award times based on ability. If he has not run it yet then he has not run it yet, end of story.

irun wrote:

They've also accomplished some similar feets

"feats"

Bauhs has been pushing the envelope for some time now, with the sheer volume and intensity of his training. I don't see him running much faster (he may get under 13:30 and 27:45 this year). He is rapidly approaching his peak, and, hopefully, he can merely maintain for 5-7 years.

Coincidentally, Ritz had been pushing the volume and intensity for quite some time, and he has yet to improve on his 10k time from four years ago. That's probably why he moved to the marathon. McDougal pushed the envelope, and it's anyone's guess as to whether he'll ever approach his old form or not. Rupp still has some upside and may be the 27:20 runner that everone guesses him to be this year (his workouts have sure been impressive), but I doubt he gets the AR unless he can get his mile time under 4:00.

sagarin wrote:

I don't see him running much faster (he may get under 13:30 and 27:45 this year).

The sheer lack of an arduous college season and an appropriate peak should allow him to do this in 2009, but I just can't see major improvement from thereon out. Even so, he is one helluva fine runner.

I like Bauhs much better than Rupp.

How on earth can you make that assessment? Are you Scott's coach? Pushing the envelope is the only way to improve. And I suppose you are suggesting that Rupp has been hardly training at all and his peak is still a long way of right? Cmon!

Remember how many shots Rupp took at sub 4 last year and came up short, Bauhs only needed one try (and that was coming off of a successful cross country season)

Both are great runners. Rupp certainly has the advantage over Bauhs, but both have a long way to go before either of them peak. Unfortunately, I doubt they will face off much in the upcoming years since they will each have different focuses.

Rupp = 5k-10k (Prediction Sub 13, Sub 27 by 2012)

Bauhs = Marathoner/Road Runner (Prediction low 2:05s AR by 2012)

Add a healthy German Fernandez in the mix and we may really be looking at some medals in the years to come. USA USA USA!!!

Bauhs will run in the high 13:20s and the high 27:30's (+/- a few seconds) next year if he doesn't get injured. And then, sensing that he can't get much faster without PEDs, will move to the marathon as he should.

Oh yeah and you haven't heard the last from McDougal and Solinsky either!

the rocket wrote:

How on earth can you make that assessment? Are you Scott's coach? Pushing the envelope is the only way to improve. And I suppose you are suggesting that Rupp has been hardly training at all and his peak is still a long way of right? Cmon!

I'm not meaning to dis your boy. We'll see. And, no, I'm not claiming Rupp superiority. He's close as well. He may go sub-27:30 this year and then the improvement will be painfully incremental from thereon out because of the physiological ceiling. Doesn't mean either of them will not have fine running careers or go on to be Olympic marathoners.

Bauhs "pushing the envelope" makes me laugh.. he only hit 100 miles/week THIS YEAR!

Master Tracker wrote:

Here\'s your actual, factual data/results after Bauhs defeated Nicodemus, etc., at the DII level.. many of you have very short selective memories.. many of you are the same that believe Bauhs would be an Olympian at 10,000m

13 Meb Keflezighi Nike 28:39.02

16 Scott Bauhs Cal. St. , Chico 28:54.32

He had a poor race... I guess Meb just sucks too then, eh?

I think Rupp has the 5k/10k thing at the moment, but Scotty has a slight edge otherwise. An exciting next few years for both!

Au contraire. The guy's was running 130 mile weeks last year (which is fine by the way). Regardless, I don't understand what all the hubbub is about. These guys will approach 27:30 or dip under and that's fine and that's great. But, when you consider that Bekele closed the last mile of his Olympic 10k faster than any of these guys' PRs, you get a sense of what I'm talking about. Guys with 3:58 and 3:59 mile PRs won't get anywhere close. Mottram went sub-13:00, BECAUSE he is a 3:48 miler. Only Webb has that kind of upside in the 5k and 10k for the US if he get's his head screwed on straight.

Even so, these are all very fine runners that will have great careers if they can stay healthy. But they are not the 27:00-27:10 runners that everyone is hoping them to be.