Fast highschool kids

Don't know if I over shot it but a runner by the name of Arron Mascarro (sp) ran under 9:00 I believe. He was from somewhere in CA. What happened to this guy?

trackhead wrote:

what would those numbers look like when compared against the change in population (of high school aged Americans)?

Trackhead, I have just the analysis you're looking for. I'll post just as soon as I did it up.

Check out number 188, John Holmes. Man, how fast could he have gone if he was not dragging that third leg?

trackhead wrote:

what would those numbers look like when compared against the change in population (of high school aged Americans)?

Trackhead, I didn't forget about you. Here:

Empirical support for what we already know to be true, anecdotally:

Average number of high school-aged students in the 80s and 90s compared to the 1970s. Total number of sub-4:10 high school milers and sub-9:00 high school two-milers in the 80s and 90s compared to the 1970s.

I don't have the stats but participation rates in track and cross country had increased during the 1980s and 1990s over that of the 70s. Participation rates of all sports are shown below.

Lets just take the data from the NFHS data and further extend my analysis.

1970s:

12,299,000 average HS aged children each year.

3,887,352 participants in all sports (boys)

95 4:10 milers

84 9:00 2-milers

Lets compare the other decades.

1980s:

10,780,000 HS kids (-12.4%)

3,387,482 participants (-12.9%)

75 4:10 milers (-21.1%)

51 9:00 2-milers (-39.3%)

1990s:

11,111,000 HS kids (-9.7%)

3,605,942 participants (-7.2%)

36 4:10 milers (-62.1%)

15 9:00 2-milers (-82.1%)

(data in thousands)

15-17 Avg

2000 11,933 11,111 -9.7%

1999 12,048

1998 11,314

1997 11,953

1996 11,617

1995 11,401

1994 10,560

1993 10,247

1992 10,114

1991 9,923

1990 9,912 10,780 -12.4%

1989 10,020

1988 10,379

1987 10,944

1986 11,149

1985 11,024

1984 10,711

1983 10,768

1982 11,131

1981 11,757

1980 11,835 12,299

1979 12,190

1978 12,346

1977 12,472

1976 12,550

1975 12,531

1974 12,566

1973 12,309

1972 12,283

1971 11,906

Although not the fastest 3200 ever, Don Sage's has to be the second most impressive behind only Nelson's 8:36. With 400 to go, Sage was a neck and neck with Tim Keller as they had been the whole race. At the 2800 they were at 7:46. Keller closed in a 70 finishing in 8:56, a very solid time. Sage blazed the last lap in a 56!!! to finish in 842. Who knows what he could have run had he raced an athlete the quality of Nelson or Virgin and the pace had been faster, because he obviously had a rediculous amount in the tank with 400 to go.

Some rrecords show that Virgin has the

high scool record because he ran in yards

which is slightly longer. I'm not sure

but did Nelson run that 8:36 after high school

but before college if he did that shouldn't

count as a high school record.

Example: Sage ran a 3:59 the summer before

college but it didn't count as a high school

state record

namena wrote:

Example: Sage ran a 3:59 the summer before

college but it didn't count as a high school

state record

funny, i don't remember sage breaking 4 before college. i'm pretty sure that would have been on the news or something

it was a 1500

just wondering

what percentage of HS kids run 4:20 or faster?

is there a lot more that run times like that?

Sage ran 4.00.29 in the Pre, after his HS season had ended but before his college career began. Tim Keller broke 9 min 7 times his senior season- Malmo, how many others have done similar?

Many. Virgin ran the full 2 mile distance under 9:00 9 times, plus 8:10 and 8:16 for 3000m. There were many others who did the same. Merrick, Hulst, Serna, Hunt, Beck, Scharsu, the Mastalirs, the list goes on and on.

Virgins Senior year:

Craig Virgin - 1973

Lebanon HS in Lebanon, IL

4/07 8:50.4 2 mile & 4:17 relay leg

4/24 8:55.6 & 4:16.6 St Clair County meet

4/28 8:59.0 Granite City Invite

5/02 9:24.2 O'Falon Relays

5/03 4:27.9 & 2:02.1 Conference meet

5/05 8:46.6 & 4:11.8 relay Orphan Relays

5/15 8:54.0 Cahokia Invite

5/18 8:53.6 & 4:10.9 District

5/21 8:48.6 & 4:08.5 Meet of Champions

5/25 4:10.0 State meet heat

5/26 8:42.6 & 4:12.2 State finals

6/01 4:05.5 Top 10 meet

6/09 8:40.9 Intl Prep Invite - HS 2 mile record

6/23 13:36.8 3 mile at Ntl Jr AAU

7/04 4:06.1 Freedom Mile (5th)

7/14 8:10.2 3000 for 3rd vs West German Jrs

7/20 8:16.0 3000 win vs Poland Jrs

7/28 13:58.2 5000 win vs USSR Jrs

All-time IL boys hs 1600 list

#4 4:04.1c Craig Virgin '73 - Lebanon. was 4:05.5 mile win at Top Ten meet at Thornridge HS.

Jr, '72 state mile champ in 4:09.2

Sr, state mile 2nd in 4:12.2 after state 2-mile win and 5th in Freedom mile in 4:06.1

All-time IL boys hs 3200 list

#1 8:37.9c Craig Virgin '73 - Lebanon. was 8:40.9 2-mile to win International Prep Invitational (IPI).

Fr, '70 state 2-mile 7th in 9:31.9 for new national freshman and age-14 records.

So, '71 state 2-mile 2nd in 8:57.4 for new national soph & age-15 records & '70 state XC 6th.

Jr, 8:54.2 indoors in '72, state 2-mile win in 8:52.0 for new ntl age-16 record & '71 state XC champ in 13:59 (#4 all-time IL state meet).

Sr, '73 state champ in 8:42.6 for new national age-17 record, 13:58.2 5000 meter win in dual meet vs. USSR Jr team (3rd all-time ntl HS, still 4th) & '72 state XC champ in 13:50 (#1 all-time IL state meet).

forgot? wrote:

Don't know if I over shot it but a runner by the name of Arron Mascarro (sp) ran under 9:00 I believe. He was from somewhere in CA. What happened to this guy?

I don't think Arron Moscorro dipped under nine. Back then the Mastalir twins were the top dogs with 8:45 3200m and a 14:36 Mt Sac time which would be about 14:20 on the newer version of the course. Senior year Moscorro placed second or third in the West regionals at Foot Locker (Kinney) with about 15:00 flat on the Fresno course. Mark Davis blew everyone away by running in the 14:30's. Moscorro ran for UC Irvine and did ok there. He won a couple of conference track titles, but that was about it. I don't know what he did after that.

Thanks, Malmo- you are the man!

greenliner wrote:

Thanks, Malmo- you are the man!

Tell all the bad girls.

Does anyone know who has the most sub-9:00's in High School.

Keller broke 9:00 for 2miles 7times? I wasn't aware of that. Sure it wasn't 3200 meters.

I would bet Alan Scharsu has to among the top three, maybe Hulst being another one, and Virgin.

It seems today kids point towards a handful of very big meets like Acardia and the post-season meets to run real fast and that's probably a smarter approach in the long run.

7 sub 9 3200s for Tim Keller. Sage broke 9 only twice, but to run 8.45 and 8.42. IL stopped running the 2 mile some time ago- been 3200 for a long time.