Bekele greatest; how about Ngugi?

in my mind it is impossible to rationally declare one of these athletes the greatest XC runner of all time. to win this race once is impressive, but to do so 5, and now maybe more times is just insane. the 3 of them are in a league of their own. personally Ngugi is my favorite. that stride of his is unbelieveable. he didn't look invicible like Bekele does, but his last 3 victories were utterly dominating. i was never sure if he would just crumble, which would keep me on edge even if he was 10+ seconds ahead.

all 3 are the greatest XC runners of all time, from there i think it is just a personal preference.

Except that Ngugi did it clean.

Though it is a definite possibility, I do not think that it is a given. In terms of cc alone, Bekele is running in a significantly different era from Ngugi's time at the top. The sport of distance running was much less specialized back in Ngugi's day and so he was more apt to face "all comers" in the sense that top track and road racers more often went to World Cross back then. Due to the increasing specialization in the sport, Bekele faces more diluted fields (even when he was running both the 4K and the 12K) than Ngugi did.

yo wrote:

NOBODY past or present can smoke Bekele in a xc race. He would beat Ngugi just like everyone else. He normally wins both events. Ngugi can't even approach some of the times Bekele has run. It's popular to doubt Bekele but I have to ask how many times he needs to prove everybody wrong? Just like last year when he had a bad year and people said Mottram could beat him for 3k or that he would lose the 10k at the World Track Championships. Do you even pay attention?

guy not from there wrote:

Have you ever seen Bekele run a cross country race? I've only ever seen his victories at Fukuoka. He was running with the others and then he put on a burst of speed and was running by himself. That was the race.

Exactly. I don't understand the whole "margin of victory" argument. In Fukuoka, Bekele ran with the pack up until about 1 minute before the finish. It was game over within a span of 2-3 seconds as soon as he decided to take off. If someone only looked at the results they would have thought it was a close race, but to those that actually watched the race it wasn't close at all.

John 3:16 wrote:

Except that Ngugi did it clean.

Baseless claim. You don't have any evidence to suggest either of them are clean or dirty. I'd say if one was dirty there is a good chance both of them are dirty. But I'm not foolish enough to claim they are dirty with zero evidence to back it up. Being a top athlete I'm sure Bekele gets tested a lot. Until he has a positive test you should probably just shut up idiot.

KB is doped. Ngugi would beat him solidly anytime if KB was clean.

yo wrote:

I'm not foolish enough to claim they are dirty with zero evidence to back it up.

You're only foolish enough to claim that there is zero evidence to suggest that KB doesn't dope.

What makes you particularly pathetic is that you aren't even an original dumbass. You just parrot mindless accusations. "Uh... I like Ngugi better so if Bekele is faster on the track then him Bekele must be doped." Are you going provide evidence he is doped or are you the dope. Get a life. Just cause suck doesn't mean Bekele is a cheat. Prove it.

Letsrunner wrote:Exactly. I don't understand the whole "margin of victory" argument. In Fukuoka, Bekele ran with the pack up until about 1 minute before the finish. It was game over within a span of 2-3 seconds as soon as he decided to take off. If someone only looked at the results they would have thought it was a close race, but to those that actually watched the race it wasn't close at all.

I've also seen videos of Ngugi running at Boston. I liked watching him run more, don't ask why, not that it counts for anything.

Bekele, Tergat and Ngugi are three very dominant runners.

I know. I have nothing to back up that KB is doped. I find

amusing to stir up things a bit. KB will smoke Ngugi any day.

KB might be a doper or he might not. Only he knows??

KB will regain his title tomorrow and Buster will finish a respectable 12th (on a bad not top 20!).

Only africans in top ten.

Then lets see it.

Sorry for being nasty. Mottram talks a big game but hasn't really backed it up. He needs to let his feet do the talking.

no problem.

It's already there, if you don't see it then you've got blinders on. Where's your evidence that he's clean?

I don't need evidence he is clean. The burden of proof always falls on the person making the initial claim. It's why you are innocent until proven guilty. You saying the proof is there is an empty claim since you didn't even attempt to back it up. I can only assume you don't know anything about what Bekele does so I have no reason to believe you. If the evidence is there then it should be easy for you to provide it. Do so or just leave the conversation because your presence hasn't contributed anything.

Mottram has beaten Bekele in a 3K.

asd;asldk wrote:

Mottram has beaten Bekele in a 3K.

Certainly didn't last year. It was a monumental ass kicking.

yo wrote:

I don't need evidence he is clean.

Obviously, you just believe what you want to believe.

The burden of proof always falls on the person making the initial claim. It's why you are innocent until proven guilty.

No, that's only valid in a court of law. That isn't the standard here or elsewhere and never has been.

You saying the proof is there is an empty claim since you didn't even attempt to back it up. I can only assume you don't know anything about what Bekele does so I have no reason to believe you.

I don't care whether or not you believe me. It was never my intention to convince you of anything.

If the evidence is there then it should be easy for you to provide it. Do so or just leave the conversation because your presence hasn't contributed anything.

Right, because yours has? Get over yourself, mental midget.

Most pathetic retort of all time. Doesn't even remotely address your claim he is dirty. Because you can't. You might be the first idiot I have ever come across that actually thinks it is a perfectly logical strategy to simply claim something and demand someone else proves your claim wrong. If you have no evidence then just shut up. Why bother posting if you aren't/can't prove what you say. You talked like it was obvious he dopes but don't have evidence. since you are clearly a mental pygmy I'll clue you in one something. If he doped then the test results that come up negative. If he had a positive test we would all know about... but that simply hasn't happened. Unless you have evidence such as a link to a positive test or pictures of him doping (or something of that nature) then you have nothing to go on.

You are a typical letsrun poster. All Americans are clean, Africans are dirty unless I like them and I'm slow but I'll go on here and say otherwise. Three most pathetic statements on these boards and are doing one of them right now.