Kenya wrote:
Bekele wasnt sick that time. He just didnt have his pacers.
actually he was sick. sick enough that he moved down from the 5k at the world cup to the 3k.
Kenya wrote:
Bekele wasnt sick that time. He just didnt have his pacers.
actually he was sick. sick enough that he moved down from the 5k at the world cup to the 3k.
Mottram is one of the only guys to call out Bekele, one of the greatest distance runners ever. There's hardly no one who has the guts to run with Bekele. Mottram has been running well lately and because he has ONE off day, people crucify him. A guy like Mottram is what this sport needs.
Running Crazy wrote:
Mottram is one of the only guys to call out Bekele, one of the greatest distance runners ever. There's hardly no one who has the guts to run with Bekele. Mottram has been running well lately and because he has ONE off day, people crucify him. A guy like Mottram is what this sport needs.
That wasn't a ONE day off bro, that was a blowout. You had to see it to understand it.
Mottram was ready for that race and he trained hard for that race. The fans came out and the hype was there - Mottram VS Bekele.
Bekele knew what he had to do and that was to "stick it to Mottram" and THAT's what happened.
At 2km he just took off (that might even be an understatement). It looked more like Bekele was running a 200m and Mottram was running a 5000m - that's how bad it was.
That wasn't one day off. Bekele's time was 7:26. You gotta run your ass off to get that kind of time. Bekele did and Mottram didn't - That's it!
indeed...
It's like the Red Sox and Yankees rivalry since 1918 (26 to 1)... It's still a rivalry to the fans of the team with fewer victories
Anybody else think that Kenny B was pissed off because Mottram spent the spring sitting on his little brother's shoulder, making him do all the work, and then outkicking him over the last 300m? At Pre, Mottram didn't do one bit of the work...
This latest 3K was not a rivalry...not even a race...that ladies and gentleman was a royal arse whooping.
Hoovis
Hoovis 2 wrote:
Anybody else think that Kenny B was pissed off because Mottram spent the spring sitting on his little brother's shoulder, making him do all the work, and then outkicking him over the last 300m? At Pre, Mottram didn't do one bit of the work...
whooping.
Hoovis
No. That's racing my friend.
just watched the solinsky video, yea when KB took off there was no doubt it was over. Buster may be the only one calling Bekele out, but he looks like a fool doing so. The rest just know that he IS THAT GOOD.
yankees and red sox are rivals and there world series wins in the last 80-85 years is like yankees 26 > sox 1.
still an awesome rivalry. And mottram is usually close so its good fun watch.
Are Ethiopians really Black? All those I have met are very light-skinned and look quite distinct from the rest of the Africans. Some even have very "Euro" looking facial structures from time to time. Maybe THEY are really the true (lost) great white hope.
Mottram Mouth wrote:
You are the only sissy. Just because you wish Mottram's big balls could be in your mouth isn't our problem. And I love how you think all black boxers and runners are on 'roids, but the Eastern Euro boxers and non-African runners aren't! Are you stoned?? Eastern Euro's have the longest history of drug abuse of any athletes, and look at all the non-African cyclists that have been taking every drug under the sun for decades. The sporting drug culture among whites is longer and more storied than even among blacks. So stop making excuses for your white-power heroes getting their asses kicked, and STFU, jackass.
Burbank Joe wrote:People are just edgy for no good reason. The sissy white guys are jealous that Mottram makes the most of his talent and generally makes a race of it. They would never have the courage to go out there and try and keep up with someone like KB ever. On the other side are the Africans who hate Mottram because they're afraid he might give other white guys ideas, guys with more talent than Mottram. They're afraid their whole world will come crashing down and that they'll end up being jokes like black heavyweight fighters today, where even the most steroid bloated of them usually get knocked senseless by Eastern European and Eurasian fighters these days, with the term "black hope" becoming even funnier than the old "white hope" of yesteryear.
Let the guys run and the chips fall where they may. I do agree that it would be cool to see what would happen if drug enthusiasts like Hermens and Rosa were out of the picture, but that isn't going to happen.
Selassie I agree with you Mottram need to shut up and run. No doubt Mottram is a good runner but he is no Bekele. They are not even in the same league, it is like comparing Michael Jordan to a good collage player. The biggest accomplishment on Mottram resume is a 3rd place finish at the world championships. Bekele is an Olympic champion, multiple times world champion and world record holder and is already a legend in the sport. To be honest if Mottram was another Kenyan runner we would not be talking about him but we all want to see a white distance runner who can challenge the Africans and when we get one we over hype him. Mottram before you talk win a world championship, set one world record then maybe we will listen to your crap.
Yeah shame on you mottram. Don't ever try to generate interest in our dying sport again.
If there is one sport that encourages one- on- one "crap" talk prior to the event it is pro boxing and the nation which has a strong hold on this sport is the USA. Americans should not be surprised it exists in other sports. One does not hear this level of critique offered to a losing fighter who has bad-mouthed his opponent before the fight, as indeed both have probably done.
Hoovis 2 wrote:
Anybody else think that Kenny B was pissed off because Mottram spent the spring sitting on his little brother's shoulder, making him do all the work, and then outkicking him over the last 300m? At Pre, Mottram didn't do one bit of the work...
whooping.
Hoovis
sizzle wrote:
No. That's racing my friend.
Exactly. You enter a race to try and win it. And you run it which ever way you think will give you the best chance of winning.
You don't go in thinking "oh, i'll take out the first few laps, and then Tariku can lead for a bit, then i'll take over again to give him a bit of a break, wouldn't want him to have to work too hard."
Buster ran a race which he thought would give him the best chance of crossing the line first, and it worked. Bad luck for Tariku. As sizzle said, that's racing my friend.
I think Mottram still has more in the tank than what he produced in the British race. He ran 7:35 for 3000, but let's be honest, Mottram is worth quite a bit faster than that, based on his mile and 5000 times - I think Mottram is worth around 7:28-7:30 for 3k, but ironically, this race in which Mottram 'failed' may work in his favor for Osaka, because some of the pressure will be taken off the 'Big Mazungo.'
For a guy like Mottram - 6.2/160 - to match srides with africans who are like 5.5/110 is quite a feat, because the power to weight ratio in someone built like Bekele or Gebreselassie is a big advantage compared to Mottram, who is more of a 'diesel' type of runner, due to his build and other factors.
Mottram is perhaps not the most talented white runner of these times, but like Paula Radcliffe, he is probably the white runner who trains in the smartest way and has the best mental attitude to the sport.
Bekele has run 12:37 for 5000 almost 20 seconds faster than Mottram at his best, so it is pretty logical for him (Kenny) to beat Mottram on most occasions.
Mottram is a super runner, but I think there will always be a Kenny or similar type of runner to prevent him from getting Olympic or World Championship golds.
And lastly, for a guy his size, I think Mottram has a very natural fluid stride, without any of the imperfections so common in tall people who often have a few waistful movements to their action or weird arm carriages. Mottram is also mentally super tough, and Australia is renown for that toughness when it comes to their elite sportsmen.
Ghost in Korea
The great white hope died with Pre. So please let go of your dream for racial supremecy in everyting that exists and just appreciate greatness when you see it. The Mottrram has been beaten by his "Rival"consistantly and if Mottram ever did get a victory it is at KB lowest point physically. ITs sad that this guy is actually is talkin all kinds of Shitz.Not even the kenyans talk shit about KB, and they acutally have had the better chances of beating him.
i agree with ghost.motty will have been preparing hard for Osaka and the milege at the moment means his turnover not great.world championships is 5k and not 3k.yes it is a rivalry because we are all talking about it.nice to see someone give the best ever runner some sort of a challenge or something to think about.
ps didn't Cragg beat Bekele in boston indoors couple years back.go on the Irish.
WOW YOU GUYS ALL NAILED IT!!! BEKELE IS BETTER! SWEET...NOW WHAT? ARE YOY PEOPLE HONESTLY ALL BEHIND THIS GUY THAT MUCH? hes not a runner...he is a machine...at least mottram looks tired when he finishes...
I think Mottram can be a wanker sometimes, but why does everyone suppport bekele so much? He's not personable, hes pretty boring and is clearly on drugs (not saying mottram isnt, but at least hes colorful).
Lets all just support the machine-like africans with no personality.
My Take: WHO CARES THAT MOTTRAM IS NOT IN BEKELE'S LEAGUE???...HE BRINGS ENTERTAINMENT AND EXCITEMENT TO MOST OF THE RACES HE RUNS, AND PUTS IN A SOLID EFFORT EACH AND EVERY TIME. People on this board are so absurd
dontmatter wrote:
People on this board are so absurd
You've got that one right.
again all his defeats seem to be at difficult points in his training or life...with the exception of world cross in Kenya, he couldn't take the humidity there....other then that all his defeats steam around where he is recovering from injury or just racing for the first time after his fiancee's death as the case in craiggs victory. Other then Cross, he hasnt been defeated in a meet where he is in at least a fair phyical shape...the man is a machine. So try not to compare mottram to him. All mottram has done that is what every athlete he compete's against has done give it their all...what sets him apart is his mouth and the fact that he is white and toward the front in races normally dominated by africans.
dontmatter wrote:
WOW YOU GUYS ALL NAILED IT!!! BEKELE IS BETTER! SWEET...NOW WHAT? ARE YOY PEOPLE HONESTLY ALL BEHIND THIS GUY THAT MUCH? hes not a runner...he is a machine...at least mottram looks tired when he finishes...
--- So what? Bekele is THE BEST RUNNER we've ever seen on the track. What part of that don't you get? That is WHY we are all over his performance.---
I think Mottram can be a wanker sometimes, (SOMETIMES?) but why does everyone suppport bekele so much? (I HAVE STATED WHY ABOVE - DON"T BE REDUNDANT)
He's not personable, hes pretty boring and is clearly on drugs -
(CAN YOU SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM ON DRUGS??? YOU CAN'T - SO JUST WHAT WE'RE ALL SAYING TO MOTTRAM THIS APPLIES TO YOU AS WELL: - "SHUT YOUR SHITTY MOUTH")
not saying mottram isnt, but at least hes colorful.
(COLORFUL?? YOU CALL RUNNING MOUTH COLORFUL? RUNNING MOUTH DIDN'T GOT IMUS FIRED AND IT WON'T WORK FOR MOTTRAM EITHER. MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE A BIGOT AND STUPID. COLORFUL IS HAILE GEBRE SELASSIE - NOT MOTTRAM - DISGEST THAT.)
Lets all just support the machine-like africans with no personality.
(FIRST OF ALL - NO PERSONALITY IS FAR BETTER THAT A NASTY ONE LIKE MOTTRAM. SECONDLY, BEKELE IS NOT THERE TO ENTERTAIN YOU - GO TO A COMEDY CLUB FOR THAT. WE AVID RUNNERS GET JOY OUT OF SEEING HIM EMBARASS CRAPHOLES LIKE MOTTRAM ON TRACK --- IN ACTION --- NOT JUST WORDS)
My Take: Who cares that Mottram is not in Bekele's league???...
(RIGHT, WE DON'T CARE. IF HE ACTUALLY RAN WITH HIS LEGS AS OPPOSED TO WITH HIS FILTHY MOUTH> WE WOULDN"T CARE)
People on this board are so absurd.
(NO, YOU ARE ABSURD. WHAT WE, REAL RUNNING FANATICS ARE TIRED OF ARE PEOPLE LIKE YOU _ BORDERLINE KLAN MEMBERS_ DILUTING OUR SPORT WITH RACE. BLACK OR WHITE-WHAT DOES IT MATTER? THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS _ DO YOU KICK ASS ON TRACK?? PERIOD)