Jane Hedengren far superior to Park Valby smashes collegiate record

Yes, because of the large # of Mormon dopers, right?

Give it up already.

Yeah bigoted ad-hominem slurs. The last bastion of a ignoramous with no argument. The neandrethal Astro eveals his low IQ and degeneracy.

Do 19 year olds not improve a lot? I had a kid jump from 16:07 in high school to 14:49 as a freshman. Pretty sure he just drank a lot of mountain dew.

There may be multiple logical and acceptable reasons for improvement that do not involve PEDs.

Many, many, many years ago I improved over a full minute between my senior year of HS and freshman year of college. Pretty sure almost all of it was due increased mileage and training with better runners.

I also took 51:00 minutes off my marathon between my first at age 18 and second at 19.

Note, this is all a lot easier however if you are not already crazy talented or fast to begin with.

You are the worst poster here. Your attitude just sucks.

People are learning how to effectively load manage and cross train. It's happening even in high school at all levels. In our state the state record was annihilated, everyone in our city got massively better, my child ran a top 20 all time state XC time and was barely top 10. I know all of the kids and parents personally and nobody is doping here. It's more intelligent training and it is happening everywhere, at all levels. It's not surprising to me that it is happening in the NCAA and pro levels as well.

Lighten up Francis. It is a play on the East African running gene theory that floated around until an avalanche of doping busts. People on here actually went the genetic anomaly rout to explain what seems way too good to be true regarding Hedengren. We know that's nonsense. My theory is that the BYU crowd saw what was happening in the NCAA and decided if you can't beat em, join em.

Sure. Sounds good.

Tuohy was a naughty girl in high school and it.all caught up with her.

Completely absurd! She didn't even look winded. Could this be the US lady to go 14:0x in the future?

Not even out of breath after finishing LOL

Agreed. Jane had a crazy fast last kilometre. Who had an even faster one? Riley.

PV has ncaa champuonship rings in her ears. She cant here you.

I attribute amazing HS success and subsequent growth of so many in college to Jay Johnson's "consistency is key" training system. Many more hs kids are ready for the college jump now. So, we are seeing spectacular improvements.

Jane is now the 10th fastest American ever for 5000. 1/100th faster than shalane flanagans PR

Jane makes me wonder if the Mormon God is the real one.

For reference from the top 5000M all time vs their U20 (or near to it) or NCAA 5000M PRs

1. Beatrice CHEBET 5000M PR- 13:58.06 (World Record) (25yr 4mo)

Her U20 5000M PR- 15:30.77 (18yr 1mo 6days)

2. Gudaf TSEGAY 5000M PR- 14:00.21 (#2 all time) (26yr 8mo)

Her 1st 5000M 14:51.30 (21yr 5mo)

3. Agnes Jebet NGETICH 5000M PR 14:01.29 (#3 all time) (24yr 6mo)

Her U20 PR- 15:56.4 (19yr)

4. Alicia MONSON 5000M PR- 14:19.45 (USA record) (25yr 2mo)

Her NCAA PR- 15:38.32 (20yr 0mo 12d)

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Jane HEDENGREN 5000M progression

1. 15:13.26 (18yr 5mo) indoor

2. 14:57.93 (18yr 6mo) outdoor

3. 14:44.79 (19yr 3mo) indoor

What a run! 6:01 at 2k, 11:55 at 4k. closed in 2:49 going around lapped runners! fun fact, she dropped Patricia Kosgei who beat Jane when Jane ran 14:57 for the HS record in the spring!

And, obnoxiously, she claimed to not know who Jane was and that she thought Jane was a pacer. I am pretty sure she knows Jane isn't a pacer now

Toxic thread, everyone move on.

If you're still here, may I offer a few insights

#1 - You can recognize a great performance without tearing down others

#2 - There is no rule that you must mention doping when an extraordinary performance happens

#3 - Fast times at BU may be more a product of many great runners going to BU to try to run fast times than any other factor