Can Colin Sahlman make the USA Olympic 5000 meter team?

He needs to put on about 5 lbs of pure muscle. Then we can talk.

maybe take the rod out of your a**

You could have worded this better but your argument is valid. Samuel put nearly all of that ~18 second gap on Sahlman in the last 2k. For Samuel, the race was patiently chilling at like half marathon effort for 8.3K and then making a huge push to the finish: it was nowhere near a 10K time trial. For Sahlman, the “tactical” pacing of the favorites proved perfect for him to hang on to the back of the large lead pack for 8K without redlining, and then compete well to the finish: it was close to as fast as he could possibly run the course. Using the gap between those two as evidence Sahlman can run 27:20 (or whatever) is massively flawed…Sam Gilman wasn’t in 7:18 shape when he finished 1 second behind Jakob in a championship 3k race, either, you dig?

Flawed is also this claim that Sahlman’s run 13:19, right? As far as I can tell his 5k PR is 13:38.96. So OP is asking if a U.S. 800 finalist with 1:44/3:33/13:38 PRs can make the 5k team vs. Hocker, Young, Blanks, Fisher etc. based on a 16th place finish at NCAA XC.

Was 16th impressive for a miler? Absolutely. Could he run much faster than 13:38? Absolutely. Is he a 27:20 10k guy?—No, he’s a miler.

embarrassing even for you.

will you ever make a good post again?

JWH could have worded this better, but he nailed the argument.

he certainly did not "nail" the argument. he has never "nailed" anything in his life.

What is your counterargument? Leave the personal attacks aside.

sorry, I did not realize you were in love with a poster.

how insensitive of me.

I am interested in the substance of the debate, although the debate is essentially over, which renders you acting like a junior high kid who just had his lunch taken away from him.

you are crying even harder than all the posters here crying about course cutting and Black Africans that is impressive

I believe he's at least as good as Martin was last year, who went 7:34 at BU and 3:48 indoors and outdoors. Can Martin Sniff a 1:44?

Wheating was a 1:44 guy who finished in the 70s at NCAA XC and turned that into a 3:30 in the late summer.

Make a list of people who have run sub 1:45 and finished ALL AMERICAN at the NCAA D1 meet. You'd be hard pressed to even fill a page with sub-1:47 All-American xc performers.

I understand maybe people like Hoare, Nuguse, Hocker, Teare, Beamish, Knight, YOUNG and maybe Cheserek COULD HAVE checked the boxes on the latter list, and there may be more who COULD have, as the 800 is run few and far between by many

If we're unable to to do such things, this means he's DIFFERENT; time will tell, but I'd have no problem guessing 7:30 indoor, 12:58 outdoor, and sub 3:30.

I am the OP and I am going to say something you don't here too often around here. I was wrong. Sahlman's PR is not 13:19. It is 13:38. I asked chatgpt and got the wrong answer. I apologize.

Also, I was wrong to say that he could finish within 20 seconds of Samuel in a fast 10K for the reasons others have outlined.

To make the 5K team in '28, Sahlman will need to get his PR down to 13:05 or faster, which I still think he can do. He will likely be even more dangerous in the 1500.

That was ignorant to call the previous post a rookie. Message boards really allow people to be cruel.

Sahlman’s BMI seems just fine.

I am going to argue and and say not only could he break 28:00 for 10,000m he could do it in practice on a track. He is worlds better than I was as a runner. I ran 1:48/3:45. My best track 10,000m was 29:05. In practice 25 laps around the track with proper pacing I ran 28:57, I also ran 13:56 for 5,000m in practice. I don't count it because it was hand timed not in a race. Too say he cannot break 28:00 is funny sub 28 for him would be jogging.

A couple things: I never said Colin could not break 28, but I don’t think he can “run much faster than 28:00” currently. As far as you go, you ran 28:57 in practice, and your best time was 29:05? Who the hell runs their best 10000m in practice? You are unusual.

In 3 years I could totally see Sahlman being able to double in the 1500/5K - but the US is so deep there it might not be in his best interest to double at a US Trials, often that can be a recipe for disaster. 3 years will also give him time to work on his tactics, which seem to be his achilles heel. but in his defense, slow tactical NCAA racing isn't his strongsuit - yet pro races, where its tactical and fast, he'll do better.

I hope he runs Millrose this year, I think he'll thrive at that pace

You sound like you’re seeking praise for admitting your factual error (13:19). Dude, please don’t ever ask ChatGPT for an athlete’s PRs again: go to their World Athletics profile (or TFRRS, or athletic.net). Basic AI like ChatGPT are so full of sh1t it’s unreal.

Your last paragraph is sorta nonsensical. 13:05 fitness is arbitrary: is the Trials final a 13:00 race or 13:30 race? What are Hansen, Strand, Langon, Wolfe, Simmons etc. all capable of for 5k at this point?—Never mind Blanks/Young/Hocker. If Sahlman’s only capable of 13:05 all out and more dangerous at 1500, he’s probably not thinking about the 5k much at all.

My fitness estimates for Sahlman right now are ~3:50 / ~7:35 / ~13:16 / ~27:56. Total guesses really, and I’m hoping he runs sub-3:50 indoors in the next few months.

your posting history is full of factual errors