NXR NE and NY are a JOKE

NY XC wrote:

I have routinely come on here and defended NY against the “contraction” arguments, for a few years. I can’t do that anymore.

It has been so long since we had a good boys team in the state, we have collectively forgotten what one looks like. We just qualified two teams with a combined total of four guys bettering a 165 SR. I’m sorry, but that is pathetic. Our best 31 boys teams combined for a total of 6 guys who could have scored for CBA yesterday. Our girls are better… but are looking up at a team from freakin’ Vermont. Jeezus.

We site our public state meet on a garbage flat course because “nobody else wants to host it”. Doesn’t prepare us well for Bowdoin, does it? One of our top coaches just retired; another is in process of pulling a Boeheim - so intent on coaching his offspring, he doesn’t realize or care that he’s burning his program to the ground on his way out the door. Historically strong programs have seemingly vanished, nobody else seems to be raising the bar. It’s depressing to watch.

I’m sure somebody will come on here and rebut this by glossing some team with a bunch of sophomores running in the 140s. That anybody would notice that or be impressed by it only shows that, as a state, we just don’t “do” Cross Country like we used to.

Rant over. Go ahead and contract us. We’re done.

NY XC wrote:

I have routinely come on here and defended NY against the “contraction” arguments, for a few years. I can’t do that anymore.

It has been so long since we had a good boys team in the state, we have collectively forgotten what one looks like. We just qualified two teams with a combined total of four guys bettering a 165 SR. I’m sorry, but that is pathetic. Our best 31 boys teams combined for a total of 6 guys who could have scored for CBA yesterday. Our girls are better… but are looking up at a team from freakin’ Vermont. Jeezus.

We site our public state meet on a garbage flat course because “nobody else wants to host it”. Doesn’t prepare us well for Bowdoin, does it? One of our top coaches just retired; another is in process of pulling a Boeheim - so intent on coaching his offspring, he doesn’t realize or care that he’s burning his program to the ground on his way out the door. Historically strong programs have seemingly vanished, nobody else seems to be raising the bar. It’s depressing to watch.

I’m sure somebody will come on here and rebut this by glossing some team with a bunch of sophomores running in the 140s. That anybody would notice that or be impressed by it only shows that, as a state, we just don’t “do” Cross Country like we used to.

Rant over. Go ahead and contract us. We’re done.

Works but not fairness wrote:

NY XC wrote:

I have routinely come on here and defended NY against the “contraction” arguments, for a few years. I can’t do that anymore.

It has been so long since we had a good boys team in the state, we have collectively forgotten what one looks like. We just qualified two teams with a combined total of four guys bettering a 165 SR. I’m sorry, but that is pathetic. Our best 31 boys teams combined for a total of 6 guys who could have scored for CBA yesterday. Our girls are better… but are looking up at a team from freakin’ Vermont. Jeezus.

We site our public state meet on a garbage flat course because “nobody else wants to host it”. Doesn’t prepare us well for Bowdoin, does it? One of our top coaches just retired; another is in process of pulling a Boeheim - so intent on coaching his offspring, he doesn’t realize or care that he’s burning his program to the ground on his way out the door. Historically strong programs have seemingly vanished, nobody else seems to be raising the bar. It’s depressing to watch.

I’m sure somebody will come on here and rebut this by glossing some team with a bunch of sophomores running in the 140s. That anybody would notice that or be impressed by it only shows that, as a state, we just don’t “do” Cross Country like we used to.

Rant over. Go ahead and contract us. We’re done.

If a NY team brings in 4 new really good transfers (like Christ School NC did this year), they are probably going get hated on even more

800lover wrote:

northeastlover wrote:

DEI for the NE and NY is needed because we don't have the easy terrain and consistent weather to train in. Add that to the talent being more spread across schools and you get a lot of undertrained kids, who have the talent but don't get the chance to run heavy mileage or face fast competition every week. Which is why for years we've had complete diamonds in the rough like Ben True, Abbey D'agostino/Cooper, Elle St. Pierre, Eric Jenkins, and Will Geoghegan.

Feel like the fact you need even faster times to get on a D1 roster now, probably explains why we no longer have late bloomer Northeast runners on the national scene anymore.

Forgot to add states like Maine and VT could field a "state team" for NXR NE and still wouldn't make NXN, NH would probably barely make it. Should we start letting these type of states field teams soon, food for thought.

Surprise! wrote:

Saladbar wrote:

Look at the times from the Ny region in particular. You have a 17:30 boy making a fully paid trip to NXN. I don’t care how hard the course is, those times are pathetic!

What an absolute Joke! nike needs to realign the regions ASAP!

this is entirely common in numerous sports. The goal of March Madness is not to get the top 64 teams in the nation into the tournament, but rather the top tier teams and then they let in a ton of shifty conference tournament winners.

Anyone who knows anything about March Madness realizes this is a great thing. The upsets and Cinderella stories dominate the headlines of the first few rounds until the contenders take over. Sometimes Cinderella teams make a deep run and it's amazing.

Now, obviously it's much harder to make a Cinderella run in cross country, but the goal is national representation, not to make sure the 78th best Californian runner gets in instead of the 37th best guy in New England.