Salazar's 2:08:13, which was probably 2:08:40-45 on an accurately measured course, was run in New York. It gets overlooked because of the reports of the course being short, but it may have been a performance to rival Dinsamo's. Today we would laugh at someone attempting a world record in New York, so I suspect it would have been well under Clayton's world record on a course more suited to fast times.
Let’s get past it DENIERS,
Mantz has the actual marathon world record.
period.
Letsrunners are idiots wrote:
Was it because of drug testing that Coe's WR stod so long? Or Bekele's WR's?
Yes. And, yes. Also, Radcliffe's.
Shigero So 2:09.05 in 1978.
tarckstar wrote:
Shigero So 2:09.05 in 1978.
Missed that one.
Bekele's 10,000m track record stood from 2005 stood until 2020. The Marathon record fell multiple times during that time. What's your point?
networkengie wrote:
Bekele's 10,000m track record stood from 2005 stood until 2020. The Marathon record fell multiple times during that time. What's your point?
That out of comp testing didn’t happen everywhere around the world
This post by HRE summarizes many of the reasons - really the lack of prize money, particularly for time bonuses, led to many top athletes not running all out if the win was in hand. In both 1977 and 1978 Rodgers won NYC in "modest" times (2:11 and 2:12) knowing that Fukuoka was right around the corner - in 1977 he won that too. The only time Rodgers ran a pseudo-paced marathon was the 2:08 in Japan against relay teams on a course that was found to be 200m short, plus that random 1 hour race during the summer on the track where he would have set an AR in the half marathon had he simply run one more lap (He did 12.9 miles in an hour). As HRE stated, Greg Meyer has been very frank that he held back at Boston in 1983 despite extremely favorable conditions.
Yes, it was very weird running USATF-NE XC in the early 2000s and seeing Dinsamo there with the "Athletics East" green singlet.
Use wrote:
Let’s get past it DENIERS,
Mantz has the actual marathon world record.
period.
I love Mantz and I know you are joking, but no he does not.
Having said that, I remember watching Kiptum finish seven minutes ahead of Mantz and thinking this isn’t real. Because it wasn’t.
To another poster’s point, put Steve Jones in today’s shoes w more even pacing at that fabled Chicago day, and he’s a 2:04 guy too…