I'm sure that's the last thing on his mind. He actually has a real full time job now and can run for fun unlike other ex pros that have no way to make money other to be yet another trainer out there in an oversaturated market.
As a mortal, it bothers me that an elite miler can just jump to an event 26x farther and be better than 90% (or more?) of marathoners. Mile really is more aerobic than we think.
I mean, he's also run a 13:00 5k, and I believe that was pre-super spikes. And 5k times correspond fairly closely with marathon ability.
In your world, one of the great performances of all time, setting the Olympic Record with a 3:27.65 by outkicking two guys with World Championship or Olympic golds, with pr's of 3:26.7/3:27.8, is picking up the scraps.
There was another thread on his 25 mile training run just under 2:30 pace. He said in that video that he was going to pace top women & go out in the 70-72 range. That's exactly what he did, splitting 70:44/71:56. I think, with the wind, most runners probably saw a slight positive split. Idk how long he paced for/when or if he started running on his own. I believe someone else had said he ended up doing that in the last 10k. His splits show a slight slow down from 30k-40k. Idk if that was because he chose to stay with paced athletes or if it started getting tough for him or some combo.
I think he should go for an OTQ. I like that he's staying involved in the sport & helping top women to their goals. He said he ran 10 in 50-flat in training for this race. That, alone, is worth sub-2:20. I would guess if he can handle that in a training run then he could hold it for a half & run 1:05. That would put sub-2:16 in play. I wouldn't look at this result and think this is him running an optimized marathon or going to the well & 2:22 is his best. He ran a controlled 2:22 to help top women, and did some workouts in training that indicate he could go a lot faster if he wants to take a serious crack at the marathon.
As a mortal, it bothers me that an elite miler can just jump to an event 26x farther and be better than 90% (or more?) of marathoners. Mile really is more aerobic than we think.
I mean, he's also run a 13:00 5k, and I believe that was pre-super spikes. And 5k times correspond fairly closely with marathon ability.
But he is a miler at his core and that was his training for 2 decades. Im less shocked when Hassan or Kipchoge or maybe Fisher one day make the jump. I would assume he would be better than most at the marathon. But 222 right out of the blocks is something that a life of training will never accomplish for 99% of us.
Only if he took a wrong turn and accidentally ran the 30mile WB. The depth of the top 3 American contenders will be such that it might require running 2:05 just to make the team. That would mean he would have to run close to a master's record, which is not going to happen. However, I can definitely see him going 2:12 in ideal conditions. There is always the more-openly-enhanced games. Take out Kerley in a 600m exhibition race and retire rich. I'm kidding, it's his life and that's a pretty decent time. I wonder what he was aiming for though. Or whether his last long run was not too long and too close to race day. Everyone's a classic rookie sometime.
As a mortal, it bothers me that an elite miler can just jump to an event 26x farther and be better than 90% (or more?) of marathoners. Mile really is more aerobic than we think.
This is the point I have tried to make here for 20 years.
The kid who wins 400 at grade school field day, wins 600 in presidents test in gym, and runs xc, 400, 800, mile, 2 mile in high school...
...is going to be good in road 10k, half, and marathon when they get around to it.
The talent gene is for distance running, not some random specific distance.
Good 400m runners don’t do the 2-mile and XC, or even the mile. Then moving on to the roads is ridiculous. You can try to make your point for another 20 years, and it will still not make sense.
Endurance is every bit as genetic as leg speed and moving up in distance is no easier than moving up.
This is the point I have tried to make here for 20 years.
The kid who wins 400 at grade school field day, wins 600 in presidents test in gym, and runs xc, 400, 800, mile, 2 mile in high school...
...is going to be good in road 10k, half, and marathon when they get around to it.
The talent gene is for distance running, not some random specific distance.
Good 400m runners don’t do the 2-mile and XC, or even the mile. Then moving on to the roads is ridiculous. You can try to make your point for another 20 years, and it will still not make sense.
Endurance is every bit as genetic as leg speed and moving up in distance is no easier than moving up.
There was another thread on his 25 mile training run just under 2:30 pace. He said in that video that he was going to pace top women & go out in the 70-72 range. That's exactly what he did, splitting 70:44/71:56. I think, with the wind, most runners probably saw a slight positive split. Idk how long he paced for/when or if he started running on his own. I believe someone else had said he ended up doing that in the last 10k. His splits show a slight slow down from 30k-40k. Idk if that was because he chose to stay with paced athletes or if it started getting tough for him or some combo.
I think he should go for an OTQ. I like that he's staying involved in the sport & helping top women to their goals. He said he ran 10 in 50-flat in training for this race. That, alone, is worth sub-2:20. I would guess if he can handle that in a training run then he could hold it for a half & run 1:05. That would put sub-2:16 in play. I wouldn't look at this result and think this is him running an optimized marathon or going to the well & 2:22 is his best. He ran a controlled 2:22 to help top women, and did some workouts in training that indicate he could go a lot faster if he wants to take a serious crack at the marathon.
He’s going to go from Olympic 1500m Gold Medalist to shooting for a OTQ? That would be like a retired MLB MVP playing slow pitch softball. Chicago will probably be a one-off, or he’ll run some others and never break 2:20.
he definitely got appearance money to do this. I think it's a great time. He isn't running 100 plus miles a week, new dad...he can still do more if he wants or not. The expectations of some fans is a bit wild. I do think he can make the Olympic Trials however does he care? I mean this is an OLYMPIC Champion.
I'm sure that's the last thing on his mind. He actually has a real full time job now and can run for fun unlike other ex pros that have no way to make money other to be yet another trainer out there in an oversaturated market.
He was pacing some of the women.
There are NO American women who can run in the low 2:20s.
This is the point I have tried to make here for 20 years.
The kid who wins 400 at grade school field day, wins 600 in presidents test in gym, and runs xc, 400, 800, mile, 2 mile in high school...
...is going to be good in road 10k, half, and marathon when they get around to it.
The talent gene is for distance running, not some random specific distance.
Good 400m runners don’t do the 2-mile and XC, or even the mile. Then moving on to the roads is ridiculous. You can try to make your point for another 20 years, and it will still not make sense.
Endurance is every bit as genetic as leg speed and moving up in distance is no easier than moving up.
The poster specifically defined the runner as "the kid who wins the 400 a grade school field day". That's not a sprint like the Olympic 400. It's kids with little specific training and the ones who win have endurance and speed (and pacing).
Good 400m runners don’t do the 2-mile and XC, or even the mile. Then moving on to the roads is ridiculous. You can try to make your point for another 20 years, and it will still not make sense.
Endurance is every bit as genetic as leg speed and moving up in distance is no easier than moving up.
The poster specifically defined the runner as "the kid who wins the 400 a grade school field day". That's not a sprint like the Olympic 400. It's kids with little specific training and the ones who win have endurance and speed (and pacing).
He said: “…and runs xc, 400, 800, mile, 2 mile in high school.” and he makes no distinction as to which one’s the kid is good at. Decent XC guys don’t run open 400 meters and some rarely even run the mile.
