I was at Paul Short. I never saw so many guys heaving and puking after a race. Is this bicarb?

Well done, Mayor Peter. Now we know who inspires Armstronglivs.

I ran Paul short 3 times in college and always ran my SB there, yet a lot of teammates/friends struggled for whatever reason. I always thought it was a relatively easy course with only that one hill after the woods being difficult

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Paul Short is an interesting course in that I really think it really separates the wheat from the chaff. If you're really one of the best of the best, like not just an AA contender, but an AA lock, then you can run a good time there regardless of the conditions. If you're good but not quite elite, you could run a good time if the conditions are nice, but if they're even a little bit bad (very humid or very muddy) you'll get left in the dust (or mud, I guess) over last 2K and be totally spent by the time you hit that very long final straightaway.

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I believe that Paul Short had the same name in the early '80s. Last time I remember it being a bad year was 2013.

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something is very wrong. toilet? vomit? pass out.?

nobody should do any of that. very rarely. small time locally and internationally, i never saw this.

you don't line up needing toilet, nor with anything in the stomach to throw up.

this is very wrong

Hopefully, he takes it easy on the bicarb for the boys and girls, especially at altitude. That stuff is like baking soda with the diarrhea blowouts like volcano 💩

I was there because my son was running. Didn't notice the puking, but everyone was pretty sweaty. It wasn't hot but the sun was out for the Gold race so it was definitely warm. It's a weird fall for the east coast though it really hasn't gotten cold.

My son said no one really takes bicarb for 8ks because it's too long of a race, but it's not like he has spoken to every single runner.

I ran there this past Friday and got a pretty big PR in the 8k. It didn't seem too terribly hot, but I got to some shade pretty quick after finishing and that was heavenly

Malmo is like the Jason Whitlock of these boards, good pro background but does not do the research on current goings on in the sport.

Tell me you're a city boy without telling me you're a city boy?

When you walked near those cornfields on the course you didn't notice the huge wave of hot, humid air? It even smells different.

An acre is 43,000 sq.ft. The combined surface area of corn leaves in an acre of corn amounts to 8 times that. Corn is constantly pumping water vapor into the atmosphere. Scientist estimates that the cornfield effect raises the dew point at least 5-10 degrees. That's significant.

Your son is right about the bicarb fad. It really doesn't help distances over 800m, and even that is debatable.

The cornfield effect refers to the impact that a large, dense area of corn plants has on its local microclimate, primarily by increasing humidity and lowering temperature through a process called evapotranspiration. This phenomenon results from the massive collective leaf area of the cornfield. A single acre of corn can hold multiple acres of leaves.

The massive leaf area of a cornfield
The surface area of leaves in a single acre of corn can be many times greater than the ground area it occupies. While this value varies based on corn hybrid, plant density, and environmental conditions, it can be estimated using typical agricultural figures.

A common method for measuring this is called the Leaf Area Index (LAI), which is the total one-sided green leaf area per unit of ground surface area.

A typical calculation for the leaf area on one acre of corn:
Plant population: A high-yield cornfield can have a density of 32,000 to 35,000 plants per acre.

Leaves per plant: A single corn plant typically develops around 19 to 22 leaves, though the number of green leaves present at any one time is usually lower due to the shedding of older leaves. For this calculation, we can assume a mature plant has about 18 leaves.

Total leaves per acre: A standard acre contains approximately 630,000 corn leaves (35,000 plants x 18 leaves).

Individual leaf size: While exact size varies, a representative, large corn leaf can be about 3 feet long and 4 inches wide. This gives it a surface area of about 1 square foot (3×0.33ft).

Total leaf area per acre:
630,000 leaves x 1 sq. ft. per leaf = 630,000 sq. ft. of leaves.

Conversion to acres: Since 1 acre contains 43,560 square feet:
630,000 / 43,560 = 14.5 acres of leaves per acre of land.

This means a single acre of corn has roughly 14.5 acres of leaf surface area, or a leaf area index of 14.5. Other studies have observed LAI values for modern corn hybrids to be between 3.4 and 5.9 m²/m² during the period of maximum growth, which supports this calculation.

How the cornfield effect works
The immense total leaf area is responsible for the effect on the local atmosphere.

Increased humidity:
Through evapotranspiration, moisture from the plants is released into the air. An acre of corn can release up to 4,000 gallons of water per day, raising humidity levels in the immediate vicinity.

Lowered temperature: The process of evapotranspiration is a cooling process, similar to human sweating, and can cause a noticeable drop in air temperature compared to surrounding areas.

Reduced wind speeds:
The dense canopy of corn plants can act as a barrier, slowing down wind and exacerbating the microclimate effect by keeping the humid air within the field

They are performative generation. It’s all an act, thru also average slower than the glory days of 2005-2008 let’s run . They are just not stoic, as a whole

George,

can you reply to the OP v. giving your take on life after 1972.

Sevorg.

My family's farm is pretty hilly, with valleys and ridges, and in some of our fields, the terrain seems to amplify the effect. It's a jungle out there. Some of our wooded valleys also get real humid too, earlier in the summer. The valleys are steep and underneath the canopy there's a lot of heavy brush.