He's probably paying out of pocket so it won't affect your health insurance rates.
That's not how macroeconomics works.
There's an argument that could be made that using these drugs now prevent problems related to obesity later. However, that argument only works if somehow people can get off it and maintain results. A WSJ article said 50 percent of GLPs gain the weight they lost. I'm not sure how that compares to other drugs, but that seems high to me.
I think the food noise thing is a real issue that people who don't have it don't understand. I have been thin my whole life and generally don't think about food very much outside of being hungry, eating, and moving on with my day. I don't really crave unhealthy foods. However, there was one period of my life, when I was living abroad in Chile, when I craved food all the time. Whereas before, if I was at a party and there were appetizers on the table, I wouldn't really think about them and would only eat them if I was hungry, during this period, it was as if all I could think about were the appetizers the entire time I was talking. It was so bizarre.
For some people, food is an addictive substance, and they have to battle it every day. There's no "going sober" from food the way you can control cravings for alcohol or other drugs over time with abstinence.
So, I think that if these medications control the cravings and food noise for people, that's revolutionary. For those of you who don't experience the food noise, be grateful. It's not all about discipline--brain chemistry plays a huge role, as the success of these medications clearly demonstrates.
For those of you who don't experience the food noise, be grateful. It's not all about discipline--brain chemistry plays a huge role, as the success of these medications clearly demonstrates.
A significant portion of this forum still thinks otherwise and considers lack of discipline as the only or main cause of obesity.
Is this a common thing for Americans? Sounds nuts. I'm the same weight and height (~180lbs, ~80kgs) and have never once experienced that.
This was my thought as well. I went from being a competitive runner, to being a fat guy, back to being very fit, and at no time during that journey have I ever found myself waking up starving in the middle of the night.
You really can't make it 8 hours without food while you're asleep without pharmaceutical help?
For those of you who don't experience the food noise, be grateful. It's not all about discipline--brain chemistry plays a huge role, as the success of these medications clearly demonstrates.
A significant portion of this forum still thinks otherwise and considers lack of discipline as the only or main cause of obesity.
While the typical American diet is sh*t, discipline is definitely part of it. I don’t like RFK but the idea that we are too reliant on big pharma is a valid one.
The OP isn’t even fat. He just wants to lose a few and using a drug originally intended for diabetics to do it.
Don’t most people stop taking GLPs after a year? Don’t GLPs stop working after a certain point at which point you’re just maintaining weight rather than than losing weight.
What’s your goal body fat %? The leaner you get when you start getting close 10-12%, hormonal hunger due to decreased leptin levels will increase. This is why being hungry at night is a thing.
I'm taking less than the recommended starting dose .
How did you decide that was the correct choice for you? Honest question, I'm curious.
My doctor and I decided to start at half the recommended starting dose. I've been gradually increasing the dose. Half just seemed like a reasonable starting point.
I think the food noise thing is a real issue that people who don't have it don't understand. I have been thin my whole life and generally don't think about food very much outside of being hungry, eating, and moving on with my day. I don't really crave unhealthy foods. However, there was one period of my life, when I was living abroad in Chile, when I craved food all the time. Whereas before, if I was at a party and there were appetizers on the table, I wouldn't really think about them and would only eat them if I was hungry, during this period, it was as if all I could think about were the appetizers the entire time I was talking. It was so bizarre.
For some people, food is an addictive substance, and they have to battle it every day. There's no "going sober" from food the way you can control cravings for alcohol or other drugs over time with abstinence.
So, I think that if these medications control the cravings and food noise for people, that's revolutionary. For those of you who don't experience the food noise, be grateful. It's not all about discipline--brain chemistry plays a huge role, as the success of these medications clearly demonstrates.
Is this a common thing for Americans? Sounds nuts. I'm the same weight and height (~180lbs, ~80kgs) and have never once experienced that.
This was my thought as well. I went from being a competitive runner, to being a fat guy, back to being very fit, and at no time during that journey have I ever found myself waking up starving in the middle of the night.
You really can't make it 8 hours without food while you're asleep without pharmaceutical help?
Don’t most people stop taking GLPs after a year? Don’t GLPs stop working after a certain point at which point you’re just maintaining weight rather than than losing weight.
What’s your goal body fat %? The leaner you get when you start getting close 10-12%, hormonal hunger due to decreased leptin levels will increase. This is why being hungry at night is a thing.
I don't know what most people do. My intent is to take these for the rest of my life. Do they stop working at a certain point? I don't know. I sure hope not. Maintaining weight once I hit my goal weight would be perfect.
I don't have a body fat percentage goal. 20 percent? I don't even know how to measure that. I do know I want my belly circumference to be less than half my height.
A significant portion of this forum still thinks otherwise and considers lack of discipline as the only or main cause of obesity.
While the typical American diet is sh*t, discipline is definitely part of it. I don’t like RFK but the idea that we are too reliant on big pharma is a valid one.
The OP isn’t even fat. He just wants to lose a few and using a drug originally intended for diabetics to do it.
I was on the borderline between healthy weight and overweight. (BMI close to 25.0.) I was prediabetic according to some tests. My goal is to lose 20 pounds. That's more than 10 percent of my body weight, more than "a few." Who cares what the drug was originally intended for.
As someone who has also started microdosing, Retatrutide, I can confirm it is a game changer in fat loss/body recomposition.
After losing 130 pounds, I was always kind of “soft” in the midsection. I could not get visible abs for the life of me. This medication has been Paramount in killing my sugar cravings/sweet tooth and making me think about food less and less overall. Food noise is very minimal even in a lower dose of Reta. As someone who has struggled with body dysmorphia my entire adult life (I’m 36 6’7 and about 210 now) and had a real bad relationship with how I viewed food, this makes life so much easier when I’m not constantly thinking about what my next meal is going to be.
a digression: for better or worse, I suspect that GLPs will soon be widely used to enhance performance in running.
Obviously, there are no elite distance runners who are fat. But I can think of specific runners whose performance improved dramatically when they lost weight. That is why GLPs will be an attractive option for some.
I think they will be particularly useful for injured runners.
I'm not saying that common use of GLP-1s in our sport is a good thing or that it is safe or ethical. I am saying only that it is likely to happen.
Probably already is used by some and if they test positive for it they will be banned.
While the typical American diet is sh*t, discipline is definitely part of it. I don’t like RFK but the idea that we are too reliant on big pharma is a valid one.
The OP isn’t even fat. He just wants to lose a few and using a drug originally intended for diabetics to do it.
I was on the borderline between healthy weight and overweight. (BMI close to 25.0.) I was prediabetic according to some tests. My goal is to lose 20 pounds. That's more than 10 percent of my body weight, more than "a few." Who cares what the drug was originally intended for.
It matters bc at one point diabetics couldn’t get it. But hey, who cares about other people, amirite??
As someone who has also started microdosing, Retatrutide, I can confirm it is a game changer in fat loss/body recomposition.
After losing 130 pounds, I was always kind of “soft” in the midsection. I could not get visible abs for the life of me. This medication has been Paramount in killing my sugar cravings/sweet tooth and making me think about food less and less overall. Food noise is very minimal even in a lower dose of Reta. As someone who has struggled with body dysmorphia my entire adult life (I’m 36 6’7 and about 210 now) and had a real bad relationship with how I viewed food, this makes life so much easier when I’m not constantly thinking about what my next meal is going to be.
I was on the borderline between healthy weight and overweight. (BMI close to 25.0.) I was prediabetic according to some tests. My goal is to lose 20 pounds. That's more than 10 percent of my body weight, more than "a few." Who cares what the drug was originally intended for.
It matters bc at one point diabetics couldn’t get it. But hey, who cares about other people, amirite??
Ketamine is supposed to be used in certain circumstances but now others are using (and abusing) it. Same difference.
As someone who has also started microdosing, Retatrutide, I can confirm it is a game changer in fat loss/body recomposition.
After losing 130 pounds, I was always kind of “soft” in the midsection. I could not get visible abs for the life of me. This medication has been Paramount in killing my sugar cravings/sweet tooth and making me think about food less and less overall. Food noise is very minimal even in a lower dose of Reta. As someone who has struggled with body dysmorphia my entire adult life (I’m 36 6’7 and about 210 now) and had a real bad relationship with how I viewed food, this makes life so much easier when I’m not constantly thinking about what my next meal is going to be.
Oh boohooo you didn’t have visible abs.
Seriously, do you people just stare at yourselves in the mirror or post selfies all day for Grindr?
I get wanting to be healthy (congrats on losing that much weight) but wanting to look a certain way … is very beta.