These are the coaches who had men in the top 8 at the NCAA Championships at 800M and up
Jason Vigilante Paul Ereng Ryan Vanhoy Chris Woods Ben Thomas Andy Powell Chris Miltenberg Andrew Carlson Vin Lanana Jerry Schumacher Mike Henderson John Hayes Rob Conner Marcus O’Sullivan Robert Gary Ed Eyestone Lyle Weese
A lot of big names that either didn’t have anyone score or just international athletes.
I was also going to do the women’s field but you can read my username.
For those high schoolers looking at college, let's make a list of coaches that seem dedicated to developing young American athletes:
1. The Garys - Furman. I know there are some controversial takes on Rita, but I feel like they have done a good job developing talent, especially on the men's side.
2. John Hayes - Wake Forest. Almost all American kids on the roster. Good development.
3. Chris Siemers - Colorado School of Mines. Takes pretty mid-level kids and makes them competitive, especially impressive considering they are all engineering majors.
Name some others.
The Garys do not develop Americans. That is hilarious. Furman always makes threads like this about themselves.
I’ve been very pleased with what Laurie Henes has done with good but not great Ohioans. I’m really looking foto seeing Dani Scheffler develop. She’s going to be special.
I’ve been very pleased with what Laurie Henes has done with good but not great Ohioans. I’m really looking foto seeing Dani Scheffler develop. She’s going to be special.
This is also the year that an Ohioan is going to have all of the NC State records from 1500/mile thorough 10k. The only distance record Grace Hartman won’t have is the Steeplechase.
I'm sorry but what is the definition of developing American athletes? I'm confused. Sudbury has sent Americans to the outdoor national meet many times in many different event areas and has had Americans be All American in Cross country. So please, what is your definition of this?
NC State - W: 1 Canada, 1 Spain, 1 New Zealand, 1 France, M: 1 South Africa
BYU - W: 0, M: 0
I don't think there's anything wrong with a few foreigners on a roster. Its when coaches are exclusively filling out their top 7 with Kenyans and the few Americans on the roster are on the B-team, that there is a problem
Exactly. I think having 1 or 2 foreigners can be good for a team. Raises the bar and sets a goal for the athletes to strive for every day in practice. But when its their entire top 7 I just can't stand it.
For those high schoolers looking at college, let's make a list of coaches that seem dedicated to developing young American athletes:
1. The Garys - Furman. I know there are some controversial takes on Rita, but I feel like they have done a good job developing talent, especially on the men's side.
2. John Hayes - Wake Forest. Almost all American kids on the roster. Good development.
3. Chris Siemers - Colorado School of Mines. Takes pretty mid-level kids and makes them competitive, especially impressive considering they are all engineering majors.
Name some others.
The Garys do not develop Americans. That is hilarious. Furman always makes threads like this about themselves.
I’m gonna sit back and grab my popcorn after I say this
As a team, Furman has fallen off the last two years; and there’s no blaming it on the Africans because I’m looking internally. Good on them for wanting to “develop” and “give opportunities” for Americans but let’s face it in a perfect world they’d be like BYU by now but they’re far from it.
WF is probably the best example on this list especially with Angelina Perez at Gans Creek, relatively close to her PB 5k on the track. Anyone can argue internationals for mines’ but that’s not the point we’re just looking at American blood.
D1 aside is where I’ll get real dicey on teams that can be tossed in development sectors that would beat Furman with majorly American rosters (w) so far this year
D2 - Grand Valley, ASU (?)
D3 - MIT (1 point)
NAIA - none but Milligan and Taylor would be up there
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and to make threads about yourself (Furman) is pretty hilarious considering you have comments mostly off on Instagram for everything while the African ridden teams like OSU, WSU, etc keep theirs own and it’s pretty much guaranteed they’re going to get an age related comment whenever they get featured by an outlet.
And don’t even get us started on claiming that you guys are trying to expand into sprints and field events like any normal team; I’ve heard what goes on BTS and I don’t even know why any high school non distance athlete would even think about Furman.
Henes destroys runners long term. How many of her runners made the world team? How many ever? And she has many foreigners on the team as well. She isn't in the conversation with coaches such as Taylor.
They don't beat the D1 teams who deserve to be mentioned in this thread. Therefore, they also don't deserve to be mentioned. They put more scholarships into distance than most D1 schools do and they get fast kids who are too dumb for D1.
Henes had two runners make the US world team for 2025, Angelina Napoleon in the steeplechase and Ericka Kemp in the marathon. When NC State won three consecutive NCAA titles recently all of the scorers on those teams were Americans. As has been pointed out previously the development of Grace Hartman has been incredible. Katelyn Tuohy had an incredible career at NC State.
NC State - W: 1 Canada, 1 Spain, 1 New Zealand, 1 France, M: 1 South Africa
BYU - W: 0, M: 0
I don't think there's anything wrong with a few foreigners on a roster. Its when coaches are exclusively filling out their top 7 with Kenyans and the few Americans on the roster are on the B-team, that there is a problem
It’s not an even playing field. Blue chip HS runners are never going to attend schools like University of New Mexico or Iowa State. If those schools want to be competitive, they have to import runners. An extreme example are the UTEP teams from the mid-‘70s to early ‘80s. They had no chance of recruiting any decent American runners, so instead, built some powerhouse teams comprised of East-Africans.
You are correct it’s not an even playing field; asking 18 year old Americans to compete against mid 20s East Africans is not fair. How much actual development is there when you are enrolling a mid 20 year old from east Africa in August and they are going out the next month and getting top 10 finishes at major collegiate meets.
i don’t concede that there are not American athletes worthy of a scholarship that could be developed into great collegiate runners. Grace Hartman was a solid high school runner but she was not a blue chip recruit.
UNM is one of the only division one schools where an athlete can train at altitude. That seems like a major selling point for the university to make to any potential recruits.