What was the point of Shelby doping?

Douchebagsanonymous wrote:

Dr Runninstein wrote:

Nandronolone is a body building steroid, not suitable or desirable for a distance runner, especially a female. Rupp's coach served a ban for doping his athletes, sepcifially testosterone cream and L-carnitine injections over the daily allowable limit. Rupp's teamates testified against Salazar. Shelby's teamates and coach have no other legitimate doping allegations. The elite running community all knew what Salazar was doing, Shoemacher had a stellar reputation.

Nandrolone is not just a body builder steroid. It has many benefits for a professional distance runner.

1. Increase in lean muscle mass allowing for more explosive power and a leaner bmi profile.

2. Increase in muscle regeneration which allows for quicker healing following hard workouts and subsequently allows for more frequent workouts.

3. Stimulates bone marrow which increases red blood cells.

4. Increases bone mineral density which strengthens bones and helps decrease the likelihood of getting stress fractures from overtraining.

5. Stimulates the formation of collagen and soft tissue which aids in the repair of strain on tendons, cartridge and ligaments.

....Houlihan's 6.9 & 7.8 ng/mL a&b samples were as high as you'd see in a body builder taking nandrolone though so perhaps she was also going for the ripped look while assuming that the Covid era lack of testing would continue. The pics of her in that era certainly confirm!

omaceioj wrote:

This is why it bugs me when people say “she served her ban. Move on”. You can never trust a doper again. THEY destroyed any good faith they had with the fans and onlookers. It’s strange to me that Shelby, who lives in a trailer and trains alone can be this fit after four years gone. That she can pick right back up where she left off without a blip while most of her US contemporaries from 2019 have fallen off, suffered major injuries, or retired.

People are going to write that off to her grit. I don’t. I write it off to dope. She’s not “silencing the haters” with unrealistic performances. She's making them more suspicious.
If I had to guess, the positive test was probably a massive screw up on her part. Not sure what it was, but I’m sure it wasn’t something she’d normally do. That’s why she probably feels confident to get back on the gear again.

Wait so wrote:

Douchebagsanonymous wrote:

Nandrolone is not just a body builder steroid. It has many benefits for a professional distance runner.

1. Increase in lean muscle mass allowing for more explosive power and a leaner bmi profile.

2. Increase in muscle regeneration which allows for quicker healing following hard workouts and subsequently allows for more frequent workouts.

3. Stimulates bone marrow which increases red blood cells.

4. Increases bone mineral density which strengthens bones and helps decrease the likelihood of getting stress fractures from overtraining.

5. Stimulates the formation of collagen and soft tissue which aids in the repair of strain on tendons, cartridge and ligaments.

....Houlihan's 6.9 & 7.8 ng/mL a&b samples were as high as you'd see in a body builder taking nandrolone though so perhaps she was also going for the ripped look while assuming that the Covid era lack of testing would continue. The pics of her in that era certainly confirm!

Wait so why don’t we all take this wonder drug?!

tomsloc wrote:

Seems pretty obvious to me Shelby got railroaded by the anti-doping system, which expressly does NOT affirmatively find that anyone intentionally doped, ever. Unless the athlete admits it, you can never say they were proven to have doped.

The rules 2.1 and 2.2, which are the ones she was found to have violated specifically say negligence, fault, intent, etc are not even considerations. It’s all: was XYZ in your sample? and if it was, can you prove how it got there? It’s really a record keeping test.

She couldn’t pass the record keeping test and so she was banned. Anyone who says she was “found guilty” or “proven a doper” or anything like that doesn’t understand the WADA rules and how fundamentally unlike the American criminal justice system they are, even though that’s the go to analogue people are understandably primed to think of.

Shelby rules! Welcome back!

Armstronglivs wrote:

tomsloc wrote:

Seems pretty obvious to me Shelby got railroaded by the anti-doping system, which expressly does NOT affirmatively find that anyone intentionally doped, ever. Unless the athlete admits it, you can never say they were proven to have doped.

The rules 2.1 and 2.2, which are the ones she was found to have violated specifically say negligence, fault, intent, etc are not even considerations. It’s all: was XYZ in your sample? and if it was, can you prove how it got there? It’s really a record keeping test.

She couldn’t pass the record keeping test and so she was banned. Anyone who says she was “found guilty” or “proven a doper” or anything like that doesn’t understand the WADA rules and how fundamentally unlike the American criminal justice system they are, even though that’s the go to analogue people are understandably primed to think of.

Shelby rules! Welcome back!

When an athlete has a banned substance in their system it doesn't require proof by antidoping as to how it got there. The athlete took the drug or they have to show it was accidental contamination. She couldn't show it was accidental. So she took the drug.