Yeah, obviously. But the question is whether they fight the conditions and take a chance, or just let it come down to a kick, which they'll lose. I've seen sub-13 races in difficult conditions in the DL. Championships are different, but do Fisher and co just sit back and watch the race go away from them?
No you haven't.
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Just off the top of my head, Lamecha Girma ran 12:58 at the 2024 Xiamen DL where it was about 80 degrees with a 72 dew point.
It depends on whether Fisher can get over that voice in his head telling him he needs to prove to the world that he has a kick.
His kick used to be poor relative to his strength - that's a fair evaluation. He worked on it a lot over the last year or two, and his kick has gotten much better as a result - also a fair evaluation. None of that changes the fact that very few people can crank out a sub 4 last mile on an already somewhat hot pace. He is still a strength based runner - just one who now has a better kick than he had before. Jakob doesn't look great, but it's still questionable whether his 5k will be better than his 1500. Fisher is not going to outkick Hocker in a race slower than 13 minutes. I don't think it's going to matter fast vs slow against Laros - either he'll be recovered from the 1500 rounds and has the 5000 strength or not.
Fisher's best chances are clearly to put the pain on from a mile out. I don't think it'll be enough to drop Laros. Mehary and Gurma are likely to contend. Nico is clearly one of the favorites. Probably a few others (I can't find an official start list anywhere). Jakob is questionable but more likely to be there here than in the 1500, but a faster pace makes it harder for him to hang too based on what we just saw. Hocker will be running angry, but I don't think he can kick off a low 12:40 race. Fisher's best chances are to run hard from far out.
Just off the top of my head, Lamecha Girma ran 12:58 at the 2024 Xiamen DL where it was about 80 degrees with a 72 dew point.
"Off of the top of my head"? Why would you say that? Where did you get the idea it was 80°/72° It was 73°/72° The race was run an hour after Sunset. The temperature is clearly reported in the results.
Interesting note: Lamecha Girma 5000m PR isn't even listed in his WAC bio. However, on the Wikipedia entry for that meet his time is listed as a National record. Ha!
The 2024 Xiamen Diamond League was an outdoor track and field meeting in Xiamen, China. Held on 20 April at Xiamen Egret Stadium, it was the opening leg of the 2024 Diamond League – the highest level international track and f...
"Off of the top of my head"? Why would you say that? Where did you get the idea it was 80°/72° It was 73°/72° The race was run an hour after Sunset. The temperature is clearly reported in the results.
But why does the temperature matter, malmo, when you were trying to argue on another thread that it practically irrelevant under a high dew point, remember?
"Off of the top of my head"? Why would you say that? Where did you get the idea it was 80°/72° It was 73°/72° The race was run an hour after Sunset. The temperature is clearly reported in the results.
But why does the temperature matter, malmo, when you were trying to argue on another thread that it practically irrelevant under a high dew point, remember?
BUSTED!
Here is that thread, where I was trying to make the (what should be obvious) simple point that dew point, in combination with air temperature, is more informative of the conditions than just the dew point alone. This is why there is something called the “feels like” temperature, an index that attempts to take multiple parameters into account. Similarly, The Misery Index is a summation of the air temp and the dew point.
Is it perfect? No, because it alone does not indicate the sunlight conditions. The National Weather Surface says full sunlight can add up to 10-15 degrees to the “feels like” temperature.
But why does the temperature matter, malmo, when you were trying to argue on another thread that it practically irrelevant under a high dew point, remember?
BUSTED!
Here is that thread, where I was trying to make the (what should be obvious) simple point that dew point, in combination with air temperature, is more informative of the conditions than just the dew point alone. This is why there is something called the “feels like” temperature, an index that attempts to take multiple parameters into account. Similarly, The Misery Index is a summation of the air temp and the dew point.
Is it perfect? No, because it alone does not indicate the sunlight conditions. The National Weather Surface says full sunlight can add up to 10-15 degrees to the “feels like” temperature.
"Off of the top of my head"? Why would you say that? Where did you get the idea it was 80°/72° It was 73°/72° The race was run an hour after Sunset. The temperature is clearly reported in the results.
But why does the temperature matter, malmo, when you were trying to argue on another thread that it practically irrelevant under a high dew point, remember?
BUSTED!
Busted? How? JWH made up those numbers out of thin air.
But why does the temperature matter, malmo, when you were trying to argue on another thread that it practically irrelevant under a high dew point, remember?
BUSTED!
Here is that thread, where I was trying to make the (what should be obvious) simple point that dew point, in combination with air temperature, is more informative of the conditions than just the dew point alone. This is why there is something called the “feels like” temperature, an index that attempts to take multiple parameters into account. Similarly, The Misery Index is a summation of the air temp and the dew point.
Is it perfect? No, because it alone does not indicate the sunlight conditions. The National Weather Surface says full sunlight can add up to 10-15 degrees to the “feels like” temperature.
My goodness you are stubborn, and wrong. The misery index adds zero information.
If it is 80°/70° the Misery Crapdex" is 150. If it is 94°/54° the Misery Crapdex is 148 94°/54° is much better for running a fast 5000m than 80°/70°.. Those were the conditions at the 2010 Doha 5000. Both Kipchoge and Vincent Chepcok ran 12:51.
Everything you need to know is already in the Dew Point. The grade school Misery Crapdex doesn't tell you anything except that you can add together two random numbers.
Kuma Girma (born 24 November 2005) is an Ethiopian middle- and long-distance runner. He is the African under-20 record holder over 5km on the road. Career He was a member of the silver medal-winning Ethiopian team at the 2023...
