The men's marathon was not slow, other than the outlier Paris Olympics it was true to form. The 1500 could also go 3:28, not slow.
Why a slow 5k when everyone knows the risk? Not buying it, unless that new guy wants to shut everyone up.
These days, a 2:09 is arguably a little slow for a winning time at a major marathon. I’ll concede that it was not crazy slow like the steeple but it was still 9 minutes slower than the world record—rather a lot!
The men's marathon was not slow, other than the outlier Paris Olympics it was true to form. The 1500 could also go 3:28, not slow.
Why a slow 5k when everyone knows the risk? Not buying it, unless that new guy wants to shut everyone up.
They’ll go slow because no one is in the habit of taking the lead (see: Grant Fisher). And no one wants to take the risk in conditions where they are uncertain about how their body will hold up.
The men's marathon was not slow, other than the outlier Paris Olympics it was true to form. The 1500 could also go 3:28, not slow.
Why a slow 5k when everyone knows the risk? Not buying it, unless that new guy wants to shut everyone up.
They’ll go slow because no one is in the habit of taking the lead (see: Grant Fisher). And no one wants to take the risk in conditions where they are uncertain about how their body will hold up.
We have seen from the prelims that the 1500 is a total crapshoot when you don’t have anyone like Yared or Jakob to push the pace, so the 1500 could go to many of the top guys (Lagos, Hocker, Kerr, R Cheruiyot, etc).
The 5K is a lot less random though, as shown by how consistently Jakob can win despite not being able to win the 1500. We now have a fresh and pissed off Hocker going into what we know will be a slow 5K in these conditions; he has a great chance of getting gold.
I think it's highly unlikely this happens, but wow, would I love to see it! This board would explode. ;-)
I don't understand the hate for Cole on this site. The guy is a big meet runner, has proven, time and time again. His goal is to win medals, not Diamond league races in the middle of July.
Hocker has raced 4 full professional outdoor seasons and only has 1 "big meet" medal. Outside of one single race in 2024, he has shown he can't beat the best in the world in the 1500m. One trick pony, and I'll bet the rail isn't the only thing he rides
We have seen from the prelims that the 1500 is a total crapshoot when you don’t have anyone like Yared or Jakob to push the pace, so the 1500 could go to many of the top guys (Lagos, Hocker, Kerr, R Cheruiyot, etc).
The 5K is a lot less random though, as shown by how consistently Jakob can win despite not being able to win the 1500. We now have a fresh and pissed off Hocker going into what we know will be a slow 5K in these conditions; he has a great chance of getting gold.
I actually think Nico young is even more pissed. The medal was right there could still be a tough, fast 5K final. And all of the international 5K guys know what they have to do to beat Cole. Shame Geordie wasn't in this. I still think he has a future in this event if he can do the training didn't he run 8:03?
I don't understand the hate for Cole on this site. The guy is a big meet runner, has proven, time and time again. His goal is to win medals, not Diamond league races in the middle of July.
Hocker has raced 4 full professional outdoor seasons and only has 1 "big meet" medal. Outside of one single race in 2024, he has shown he can't beat the best in the world in the 1500m. One trick pony, and I'll bet the rail isn't the only thing he rides
2 big medals. A world championships is a world championships regardless of who shows up
sorry, but that's the most stupid post in a while. First, that's in June as you said, second, Hocker later ran 13:26 with a 51 finish to win the USAs. In Tokyo, the winning time would be around that mark, especially considering the weather. Who could've survived a 51 last lap beside Laros? But unlike Hocker, Laros would have a 1500m final on his legs, and he also doesn't have as much endurance as Hocker who ran 7:23 3k this year.
So yeah, Hocker is now the overwhelming favourite in the 5k.
A 51 finish without a single other sub-60 lap is not how these global finals are won. They always have a sub-4 last mile and ~1:50 last 800. Last year Jakob went 56-53 for his two final laps. Hocker can’t drive like that.
they've been driven like that because long kickers like ingebritsen have made the races like that, who has the balls to do that in the 5000m that;s running it rn. A lot of the 10000m guys didnt
We have seen from the prelims that the 1500 is a total crapshoot when you don’t have anyone like Yared or Jakob to push the pace, so the 1500 could go to many of the top guys (Lagos, Hocker, Kerr, R Cheruiyot, etc).
The 5K is a lot less random though, as shown by how consistently Jakob can win despite not being able to win the 1500. We now have a fresh and pissed off Hocker going into what we know will be a slow 5K in these conditions; he has a great chance of getting gold.
I actually met, talked to, and ran against “Alexi Santana” way back in 1988.
Hocker has raced 4 full professional outdoor seasons and only has 1 "big meet" medal. Outside of one single race in 2024, he has shown he can't beat the best in the world in the 1500m. One trick pony, and I'll bet the rail isn't the only thing he rides
2 big medals. A world championships is a world championships regardless of who shows up
Hey, Dunce, you forgot to wear your hat before you responded. They said outdoor. Cole can’t win in the diamond leagues(which is where most WR’s are set), which is why he struggles in the “big meets”. Your boy got exposed this year, which is why he got desperate and tried to cheat in the semi finals. The DQ was deserved
The only think to predict at these championships is that except for Faith, Mondo and Crouser these games cannot be predicted, esp in the men's middle distance and distance events.
Hocker has raced 4 full professional outdoor seasons and only has 1 "big meet" medal. Outside of one single race in 2024, he has shown he can't beat the best in the world in the 1500m. One trick pony, and I'll bet the rail isn't the only thing he rides
2 big medals. A world championships is a world championships regardless of who shows up
I don't understand the hate for Cole on this site. The guy is a big meet runner, has proven, time and time again. His goal is to win medals, not Diamond league races in the middle of July.
Hocker has raced 4 full professional outdoor seasons and only has 1 "big meet" medal. Outside of one single race in 2024, he has shown he can't beat the best in the world in the 1500m. One trick pony, and I'll bet the rail isn't the only thing he rides
We'll see. If he medals (and I think he will), I'll be back. And if he doesn't, I'll still come back and concede your point.
From my perspective, the mistake you're making is that you are discounting the U.S. champs, which is the 2nd most competitive meet in the world in any given year, after Olympics/ World Champs. The top American athletes in many events consider Diamond League meets to be second tier, and not worth the toll on the body of all that travel. So, yeah, not too many Diamond League wins, but that really doesn't matter.
Hes pissed...his own fault of course but now he's running on pure hate. As LRBF like to say
Clearly in great form because despite his tactical blunders in the 1500 semi he was able to easily resume a qualifying spot before he was DQd. Nobody in the 5k has a finish comparable to Hocker.
We'll see. If he medals (and I think he will), I'll be back. And if he doesn't, I'll still come back and concede your point.
From my perspective, the mistake you're making is that you are discounting the U.S. champs, which is the 2nd most competitive meet in the world in any given year, after Olympics/ World Champs. The top American athletes in many events consider Diamond League meets to be second tier, and not worth the toll on the body of all that travel. So, yeah, not too many Diamond League wins, but that really doesn't matter.
I, and I think a lot of others on letsrun would strongly disagree with this statement. Sprinting? Maybe, but it's still a hard sell when the they don't have to race against the Jamaicans or other Caribbean nations. Middle and long distance? No. Absolutely not. Having the top 2-3 Americans run against D1 kids definitely does not make the USATF's the second most competitive meet in the world each year. This is completely laughable, and this year's WC is proof so far with the 1500m and the 10000m wrapped up. The fastest races happen in Diamond League every single year. As an American myself, the hubris around American athletics is downright embarrassing.