Every state in America needs to abolish property taxes.

Florida has no income tax or property tax at the state level. Most of their tax revenue comes from sales taxes a small corporate tax and some other smaller taxes and fees. They also have some of the best schools in the country.

That could work but neither of those will be any more popular than property taxes are, probably less so in most cases because a wider slice of the population will pay them, which can be an argument for doing this. But it would be a hard sell. Property taxes in New Hampshire are fairly high but every New Hampshire politician knows backing sales and income taxes there would be the end of his/her career. And many, if not most states, have all three so you'd need to raise sales and income taxes to make up for what property taxes bring in.

Republicans are too stupid to understand that Abolish the Property Tax = Defund the Police.

Florida has no income tax and DeSantis has been carving up the sales tax his entire time as governor. You've got to have revenue from somewhere if you're going to have a functioning state. But there is literally no amount of taxation that Rs will not complain about. Look at Alaskans. No income tax, no sales tax AND the citizens get an annual $1000 check from the government, financed by oil and gas royalties. Guess who still complains about taxes being too high?

Meanwhile, Trump raises taxes on U.S. consumers by more than any president in modern history, while cutting taxes for the rich and ensuring the IRS has no resources to go after tax cheats, and normie Rs cheer him on.

Man, I hope my state’s governor tries to torch my state’s competitive advantage.

Florida, along with Hawaii and Nevada, can get a lot of money by taxing out of state (and international) tourism as well.

In general I think state income taxes are the fairest way to provide local services. That carries with it the implication that schools in rich neighborhoods won’t be better funded, because the state will provide the money based on the number of students. And state income taxes can be bracketed and progressive.

Florida is #11 in combined local and state tax burden at 9.1% and maintains descent services (Alaska is #1). NY is #50 at 15.9%, and I don’t know that their services are much better than Florida (east coasters please chime in). California is #46 at 13.5% and the state is constantly a mess. Even Bill Maher admits this:

Sonare you getting what you pay for in these higher tax burden states?

says a party run by a guy whose business model is he owns property hmmmmmmm

In NYC, much of the property taxes going to support socialist programs.

In New York City you certainly are. The NYC subway is a world class public transit system, and NYPD is incredibly effective at its job. New York’s crime rate is incredibly low. The only safer cities over 500,000 people in the US are Honolulu, El Paso, and Boston. NYC is much safer than Miami, Tampa, and even Gainesville.

In practice it is not so simple. Rich neighborhoods just raise millions of dollars privately for their public schools. Trying to make sure every school is somewhat equally funded is nearly impossible due to rich people having the means to always make sure that their own are better funded than the schools of the masses.

I am not saying that this is necessarily a bad thing. Just that it is the reality.

the most libertarian “off the grid” person I know actually uses the government the most.

He bought property, drilled a well, tried to install solar etc. HATES taxes. But he has been in court for a year and a half with his neighbors, water usage, land access, surveying on and on and on. Hates taxes but loves the legal system which is funded by taxes.

you bet your ass he wants the fire department to save him when the forest is blazing as well.

Personally, I hate income tax. The wealthy avoid their fair share with financial manipulation while the middle class vear a disproportionate amount.

Sales/property tax, or tax on any sort of consumption is a more fair method of taxation.

The OP wants to pay a toll to drive on the street in from of his mommy's house.

Outside of the questions about where the funding would otherwise come from, property taxes seem like one of the more obviously justifiable taxes out there. I get a lot of value out of the government recognizing and protection my ownership of land. If I want to maintain land for my exclusive use and benefit in perpetuity, there should be a cost associated. Absent a system that provided that service, I would certainly be out looking to contract with some entity to protect those rights for me, and it would come with much less certainty.

That’s the rub. When you give away a lot of stuff, you create a welfare state. People dependent on the government who by and large don’t contribute, are more likely to commit property crimes and draw on pubic services. California, Hawaii, Nee York, etc. are all swimming in them.

School taxes are separate from property taxes. Let the parents pay...much like car drivers pay a gas tax for roads.

A tax on "consumption" is a tax reduction for the rich.

A part of unconsumed earnings (vs. taxable income) needs to taxed so that the rich pay their share. They do not consume much because they have most of the wealth. Taxes must be proportional to wealth owned. Because the "give the rich a bigger tax break" fools are infesting this thread, once taxes are paid on wealth only future gains are taxed, just like what happens to the little people.

Not in the U.S. Maybe that is true in Russia where you live.