German doping cover-ups

Of course. Prominent examples include doping coach Springstein and doper Ullrich. Lots of that is out in the open.

Similar to the situation with East Africans today.

This was some interesting detective work someone posted up a few weeks ago:

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=13629450#post-16

Names withheld by Germany's testing agency, but with enough information made public to compare to AIU's list of bans to reveal the athletes involved (Sara & Sofia Benfares).

No, sorry, but that is still misleading. "Cover up" implies trying to hide something. What happened here is that an athlete threatened to sue because of data protection laws (GDPR). Names are considered personal information, so you need consent to give that information to third parties. German anti doping authorities did not have consent because...well, everyone thought it is obvious that this publication of names is public interest. Now that is being sorted out in court whether public interest weighs heavier than the individual's right to privacy. That is stupid German bureaucracy (i live here...it's nuts), but it is very different from a shady cover-up situation involving state authorities.

Data protection is insane here, we fail to do medical studies, fail to do smart metering, fail to use recorded crimes in court, what have you, all because someone has to sort that out legally first. I get the appeal for the story, but this one is about bureaucracy/regulatory stupidity, not complicit authorities. Sadly.

What does the h'caust have to do with not naming cheaters?

YOU are implying that nobody who knows the system uses it to achieve unallowable advantage. Nothing could be further from the truth.

On the contrary, it’s a mecca for users from all over the world, and it is German athletes/coaches/trainers who understand best the potential advantages.

I do understand the system, and I do understand the law—I wrote about it on here many years ago. Once again, I have no problem with it, internally. The problem is that Germany is still accepted under the WADA framework, while not complying with the rules that they agreed to follow.

They can’t have it both ways. When they voluntarily agree to a duty to disclose and then fail to actually disclose, they are covering up the information that they agreed to make public.

Of all nations, it is Germany that needs to be booted, along with any other countries’ athletes who try to hide behind a particular use of Germany’s internal laws.

I’m not sure your point. Anti doping is simply not that important. Yes, ok, for runners - very interesting, we want names, critical issue, etc. For 99% of Germans, anti doping is much less important than the basic law.

And no one really wants to kick out Germany from athletics, too big and rich, so there is only so much to be done. The earlier poster, cmon, is correct. it’s not a conspiracy, just an immovable force (German law) meeting a moveable object. Not ideal of course

Exactly this ^

Unfortunately Sprintgeezer is completely misrepresenting the truth here. This is not a 'cover up'. Germany has one of the best testing systems in the world and is one of the top countries in terms of testing numbers. Regardless of whether individual names are released, they are catching and banning cheats.

I'd ask the question: what makes you think you have the 'right' to know if someone is banned or not? The point is, they are banned & cannot compete. Who cares if Mr Nobody i.e. sprintgeezer or any other member of the public, knows? You aren't privy to know whether any other private individuals are banned from their work, unless they work for a public body or service. Why do people think they are entitled to know whether sports people are serving a ban?

Whatever WADA wants to do, it has to comply with European Law & compliance with GDPR if it wants to operate within Europe. The fact that Germany has additional local protections...well, bad luck WADA. It is what it is. That main thing is that Germany are testing & catching cheats.

It is a double standard. If you get banned here, you can't compete for a while and all fans know that you are a cheater. The second part hurts you emotionally during the ban, and financially after the ban.

If you get banned in Germany, you can't compete for a while. That's it. After the ban, shoe companies can easily rehire you without the cheater stigma.

See the discussion about potential sponsors here on LR for Houlihan after her doping ban. A corresponding German cheater would have it easier, which is completely unfair. So their deterrent is smaller.

Despite previous disagreement, I am with sprintgeezer on this one.

You can contractually agree to waive certain gdpr rights, and that is certainly what wada should insist upon.

Furthermore gdpr is EU legislation so it shows other countries can do it.

It may have been an innocent misinterpretation at first, but now it is being used fraudulently ie Hans and bolt

So it's a cover up.

It is NOT a 'cover up'. It is part of a much bigger, wider issue with GDPR law in Germany. This is NOT the DLV trying to cover up it's positives for goodness sake.

Are some people thick or what?

R u thick? Gdpr doesn't work that way. Gdpr is EU, why is only g having these problems?

Made me think of this article that came out right before this years tour. Reminded me a lot of the NOP stuff. Apparently one of the hot drugs on the market is called Aicar. The article says, "He found 166 other substances with similar effects, only four of which were on the list of banned substances." My guess is that this is where the top-end of elite sport is at. Take one of the 162 other drugs & swap them out when the one you're taking is put on the banned list. Micro dose at levels that won't be detected. Take a diuretic to mask what you're taking. I just don't think testing can keep up with science rn. Take drugs or trace amount of drugs right to the point of not being caught. Convince yourself it's only doping if you get caught. How do you compete as a B-tier athlete if you're not living in the grey?

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German documentary claims cycling still dominated by doping with Aicar, the 'new EPO'

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I can assure you Parsoni is clean.

The WADA Code understands national laws supercede the Code:

91 [Comment to Article 14.3.2: Where Public Disclosure as required by Article 14.3.2 would result in a breach of other applicable laws, the Anti-Doping Organization’s failure to make the Public Disclosure will not result in a determination of non-compliance with Code as set forth in Article 4.2 of the International Standard for the Protection of Privacy and Personal Information.]

EXACTLY.

I had a feeling his World Junior Indoor Mile record (3:55) was too good to be true.

Yes - but it doesn't change the fact that the German NADO gives out silent bans, which is ultimately unfair for all the dopers whose bans were made public, Americans, Kenyans, ... what have you. It's also unfair for the different fans from different countries.

..Because it HAS to, under German law, not because it WANTS to. Therefore, it is NOT a 'cover up' as the OP says.

I would probably focus more on the cheats that don't get punished, rather than those that do, or those other cheats, just because they are named.