First of all, Clayton has run 2:07. Yes, I know it was on a Boston course that can run extremely fast sometimes, especially with a tailwind. But this year, it had a slight headwind, and the Heartbreak Hills late really do make this an honest course. Valencia and Berlin and London are faster.
Secondly, I’ll be the first to agree that the shoes are kind of BS and are worth up to a second per lap (and getting better all the time). I’ve said this multiple times. But the elevation where they are training at more than makes up for it. 4,500’ down to sea level is worth five seconds per mile. If you’d spent any time there or a similar altitude and coached enough kids over time, you would know this. I guess the best you can say is that that last 4:16 1600 is really a 4:20 1600 in the old shoes but, nonetheless, a 4:15 when you adjust to sea level.
Lastly, I appreciate that these guys post their training at all and allow the public to see how they train. Two of the best to ever do it over 26.2 and not complete primadonna jacka$e$ either. Humble. Hard workers. Likeable. I appreciate them.
boston was faster than london this year. nobody in the mens elite field ran a pr (besides those that had a debut if you want to count that) at london.
This is irrelevant to the point being made. That Bosto. This year was not like the typical fast flat courses that are the home of almost all of the 2:00-2:04 marks. It is not an "aided" course when assessing how it compares with the very fast marks. You know that and we being a typical LetsRun red herring.
No. He is a 2:08 marathon runner on legal courses. And he nor Mantz could be considered one of the best ever. They do come across as good guys though. I dont think Young will break 2:07.
I don’t know if Young will break 2:07 either, but he might. He ran 2:07:04 on a Boston course that was neither a hindrance nor an aid this particular year. And he ran 2:08:00 (crossed the line at 2:07:59 actually) at Chicago two years ago. So I feel comfortable calling him a 2:07 guy.
He also didn't have the best build going into boston, a lot of hiccups early, although he finished the block pretty well.
I'm out of the loop a little bit, is he running NYC or Chicago this fall?
I'm a fan of the 'byu guys' and I hope I am wrong. I just have a feeling Young might have had his great day at the trials. He looked really good that day. He looked like he could've picked up a bit of time at the end. We will see.
First of all, Clayton has run 2:07. Yes, I know it was on a Boston course that can run extremely fast sometimes, especially with a tailwind. But this year, it had a slight headwind, and the Heartbreak Hills late really do make this an honest course. Valencia and Berlin and London are faster.
Secondly, I’ll be the first to agree that the shoes are kind of BS and are worth up to a second per lap (and getting better all the time). I’ve said this multiple times. But the elevation where they are training at more than makes up for it. 4,500’ down to sea level is worth five seconds per mile. If you’d spent any time there or a similar altitude and coached enough kids over time, you would know this. I guess the best you can say is that that last 4:16 1600 is really a 4:20 1600 in the old shoes but, nonetheless, a 4:15 when you adjust to sea level.
Lastly, I appreciate that these guys post their training at all and allow the public to see how they train. Two of the best to ever do it over 26.2 and not complete primadonna jacka$e$ either. Humble. Hard workers. Likeable. I appreciate them.
Personally, I don't like him
The way he made a big, ostentatious show of LETTING Mantz win the trials rubbed me the wrong way
I'm a fan of the 'byu guys' and I hope I am wrong. I just have a feeling Young might have had his great day at the trials. He looked really good that day. He looked like he could've picked up a bit of time at the end. We will see.
Yeah 2028 trials are a long ways a way and time is not in his favor.
Mantz, Richman, Ford, Colley, Reinchow, Maier, Clinger, maybe even Klecker by then and Grant Fisher all look like strong candidates to compete and beat Young
Hope he is ready for USATF championships, When I look at great workouts like this, one can't help but be amazed at what modern great 10k runners do. Modern great 10k runners can run not just five miles but 6.2 miles, no rest between, faster than 4.20 per mile, The WR is spmewhere around 4.16 per mile, which was the fastest mille Clayton did on that workout. Modern distance running is just totally nuts with what these guys are capable of doing. And don't even get me started on the great half marathon world record just slightly slower than 4.20 per mile for 13.1 miles.