Agreed he seems like the most obvious candidate to get it and should be in shape to do it based on this time trial. I know there was a bike sort of pacing but he was the lead guy for most of it.
I would like to see Kessler get it. However, Hoey is certainly as capable if not more capable right now than Kessler.
Yes, Hoey is right on level or maybe has slight edge right now. On side note, I am fighting an ongoing internal battle to be a fan of Hoey. Seems like such a genuinely nice guy every time he speaks, but so skeptical of his rapid improvement. Anyway, thats my own issue to work out. Maybe he's clean, maybe dirty, or maybe no dirtier than the next guy.
Great video. Also an example of when people try to guess runners running longer distances. I’m sure a lot of people would say a 1.43 guy would cruise through in 1.49. But he got dropped as soon as they passed 800.
That 1:43 guy has been out of running for 3 years and likely lost a lot of endurance. Peak Brazier certainly not getting dropped.
Great video. Also an example of when people try to guess runners running longer distances. I’m sure a lot of people would say a 1.43 guy would cruise through in 1.49. But he got dropped as soon as they passed 800.
Eh, maybe he backed off so people would be less suspicious of his supplement stack.
Just looking at time stamps it was actually more like 2:15 pt for Kessler/Wightman and 2:17-18 for Gourley. I’m kinda confused by the OP focusing on Gourley who got gapped. If anything this would make me think he’s in more like 3:31/3:48 shape
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Great video. Also an example of when people try to guess runners running longer distances. I’m sure a lot of people would say a 1.43 guy would cruise through in 1.49. But he got dropped as soon as they passed 800.
Eh, maybe he backed off so people would be less suspicious of his supplement stack.
Or he's not in the same training phase as the guys he's running this with. The three guys ahead of him are all running the Bowerman mile in a week in a possible WR attempt.
Just looking at time stamps it was actually more like 2:15 pt for Kessler/Wightman and 2:17-18 for Gourley. I’m kinda confused by the OP focusing on Gourley who got gapped. If anything this would make me think he’s in more like 3:31/3:48 shape
I did think that was strange too, but maybe he is just a Neil fan? :)
Regardless, I wouldn't write off Gourley because he did have a decent indoor season and a strong showing in GST, but would agree that he is not of the same calibre of talent as these other guys.
Amazing video! I'm so happy that we get to commonly see stuff like this.
1. Wightman looks great, far better than I expected. I always felt like his world championship in 2022 was just the tip of the spear - I feel like he had a lot more to offer, and was really only held back by injuries.
2. Considering how far we are from worlds, They probably ran 2:14-2:15 off of primarily longer, slower stuff, right? Just my guess based on my rudimentary knowledge of distance periodization. That should translate to a great mile time. I will guess 3:45 for Kessler and Wightman on Saturday.
3. I was a little surprised to see Brazier dropped, but I guess he's only really been training since January. Seeing how different his form was from the other distance guys was cool - much more powerful, driven strides.
1. Yeah I kinda wrote Wightman off after he got injured last year after a very solid indoor season, but he looks fantastic right now. I just looked at his WA page to check his age and I didn't realize he ran 3:47 for 5th at Pre last year. Kerr-Ingy-Nuguse were 1-3 iirc, and they went 2-3-4 at Olys. I think I wrote him off because he was 29 and so many young guys are so good, but Habz is 31 and just dropped a 3:27, and he's done nothing else to suggest he's a WC level talent like Wightman. If he stays healthy, this year's 1500 final might be better than last year's.
2. I think so but it's kinda blind leading the blind here. No matter what it should translate to a strong mile, but I'd be surprised if they weren't doing some faster stuff at this point in the season. I'd think you'd need to be hitting some fast stuff if you want to be competitive at Pre, just because basically everyone is a sub-3:30 guy in the field. But strides and the occasional fast rep can get you a long way, particularly if you're training to run a fast time instead of training to have a big kick.
3. Ya I like JG's read saying he probably doesn't want to go to the well in practice. I read an interview with him recently where he said he's much smarter at training now and listens to his body and doesn't go all out. He's already run a 1:43 (I think negative split too), so I think he probably held back. You see on here all the time "X kid is so talented that their coach just needs to keep them healthy and they'll improve", and I think Brazier has finally taken that to heart. With that said, even if he went all out I think Wightman and Kessler still crush him, just less than what happened.
Just looking at time stamps it was actually more like 2:15 pt for Kessler/Wightman and 2:17-18 for Gourley. I’m kinda confused by the OP focusing on Gourley who got gapped. If anything this would make me think he’s in more like 3:31/3:48 shape
I did think that was strange too, but maybe he is just a Neil fan? :)
Regardless, I wouldn't write off Gourley because he did have a decent indoor season and a strong showing in GST, but would agree that he is not of the same calibre of talent as these other guys.
Yes, I quite like Gourley; and really enjoy seeing him get on well. He’s a legitimately good person to go along with being an outstanding athlete. He’s done heaps with less raw talent than the others, and has slowly clawed his way to the level he’s currently at. I’ve spent more time with Jake’s father than Jake himself, and know that he comes from good stock. I don’t know any of the Americans personally. A long winded explanation to where I should have just said, “you’re correct.”
Just looking at time stamps it was actually more like 2:15 pt for Kessler/Wightman and 2:17-18 for Gourley. I’m kinda confused by the OP focusing on Gourley who got gapped. If anything this would make me think he’s in more like 3:31/3:48 shape
I can see how that would have been confusing. Team Neil here.
Amazing video! I'm so happy that we get to commonly see stuff like this.
1. Wightman looks great, far better than I expected. I always felt like his world championship in 2022 was just the tip of the spear - I feel like he had a lot more to offer, and was really only held back by injuries.
2. Considering how far we are from worlds, They probably ran 2:14-2:15 off of primarily longer, slower stuff, right? Just my guess based on my rudimentary knowledge of distance periodization. That should translate to a great mile time. I will guess 3:45 for Kessler and Wightman on Saturday.
3. I was a little surprised to see Brazier dropped, but I guess he's only really been training since January. Seeing how different his form was from the other distance guys was cool - much more powerful, driven strides.
1. Yeah I kinda wrote Wightman off after he got injured last year after a very solid indoor season, but he looks fantastic right now. I just looked at his WA page to check his age and I didn't realize he ran 3:47 for 5th at Pre last year. Kerr-Ingy-Nuguse were 1-3 iirc, and they went 2-3-4 at Olys. I think I wrote him off because he was 29 and so many young guys are so good, but Habz is 31 and just dropped a 3:27, and he's done nothing else to suggest he's a WC level talent like Wightman. If he stays healthy, this year's 1500 final might be better than last year's.
2. I think so but it's kinda blind leading the blind here. No matter what it should translate to a strong mile, but I'd be surprised if they weren't doing some faster stuff at this point in the season. I'd think you'd need to be hitting some fast stuff if you want to be competitive at Pre, just because basically everyone is a sub-3:30 guy in the field. But strides and the occasional fast rep can get you a long way, particularly if you're training to run a fast time instead of training to have a big kick.
3. Ya I like JG's read saying he probably doesn't want to go to the well in practice. I read an interview with him recently where he said he's much smarter at training now and listens to his body and doesn't go all out. He's already run a 1:43 (I think negative split too), so I think he probably held back. You see on here all the time "X kid is so talented that their coach just needs to keep them healthy and they'll improve", and I think Brazier has finally taken that to heart. With that said, even if he went all out I think Wightman and Kessler still crush him, just less than what happened.
I'm definitely not worried about Brazier. I think he's just being extra careful not to get hurt, as Gault alluded to. After being out for so long, Brazier's number one priority should just be having a healthy shot at making the worlds team.
I think Kessler was holding back a bit on that and could have accelerated more if he had wanted to. He was doing the lion share of the work there leading the time trial. The race is going to be hyper political tactically with so many awesome dudes in top shape! Shame Ingb isn’t in the race.
no doubt Wightman will be injured following this, miss the UK trials and send this video to the selectors to steal another appearance at the world champs for GB (before either being injured before the champs or running like a donkey at the champs due to ANOTHER injury)
no doubt Wightman will be injured following this, miss the UK trials and send this video to the selectors to steal another appearance at the world champs for GB (before either being injured before the champs or running like a donkey at the champs due to ANOTHER injury)
If healthy he has a shot for a medal. No other non-Kerr Brit does.
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