to me it's at least somewhat under the same heading as the host can tell you what spikes to wear and enforce rules if you mess up their setup on purpose. lots of meets they lend you the baton you use.
it's a tad absurd to suggest a definition of "throw" which might not align with some kids' efforts at the "throw" portion of the sport. either how quick it was or how far it went.
PS. I might actually be for a rule - under no circumstances can you throw a baton ever. If that was a rule, then I'd get it. But it's not, right?
i think it's understood by most you can't throw a baton. BUT STILL, and I don't care that it's a judgement call. A jury of appeals should be able to overturn a call like that.
When I hear stuff like this, Im really proud to be part of the league and section im with because we will make changes to be certain we aren't screwing over kids who don't deserve it.
whatever rules we have aren't the damn constitution of the USA. something like this can be overturned. give me a break.
PS. I might actually be for a rule - under no circumstances can you throw a baton ever. If that was a rule, then I'd get it. But it's not, right?
i think it's understood by most you can't throw a baton. BUT STILL, and I don't care that it's a judgement call. A jury of appeals should be able to overturn a call like that.
When I hear stuff like this, Im really proud to be part of the league and section im with because we will make changes to be certain we aren't screwing over kids who don't deserve it.
whatever rules we have aren't the damn constitution of the USA. something like this can be overturned. give me a break.
i don't think the answer is "overturn" -- he did the thing -- it's discretion on punishment. if i trip a guy or shoulder him over or lob the ball over his head when i don't like a throw-in call, generally i get a yellow and i keep playing.
Exactly when and how are you allowed to take the baton out of your hand? What if he sat on the infield and dropped it to the ground? This is completely absurd and the official who disqualified him should be disqualified.
i think it's understood by most you can't throw a baton. BUT STILL, and I don't care that it's a judgement call. A jury of appeals should be able to overturn a call like that.
When I hear stuff like this, Im really proud to be part of the league and section im with because we will make changes to be certain we aren't screwing over kids who don't deserve it.
whatever rules we have aren't the damn constitution of the USA. something like this can be overturned. give me a break.
i don't think the answer is "overturn" -- he did the thing -- it's discretion on punishment. if i trip a guy or shoulder him over or lob the ball over his head when i don't like a throw-in call, generally i get a yellow and i keep playing.
so it's a "foul" but not a "DQ."
the rule may be written without discretion for type of punishment. in that case you have to say this doesn't fall within the "spirit of the rule" and overturn.
Lesson on never doing anything remotely outside the rules in finish area. To me very borderline but in that area especially be aware of everything.
Lol to the people saying the baton will get damaged or lost and be expensive. You would pretty much have to hit one with a hammer and they are like 8 for 25 or 30 dollars even i who is as cheap as they come dont thinlk that is bad
Wow people advocating for a DQ are nuts. Not the type of people you want to have at a party.
A toss is different than a throw.
And intent should matter. This is high school sport.
Why was the rule crafted? So come guy who is exhausted couldn't toss or drop the baton in the infield when he was done with it and it would impact no one?
I don't think so.
We're supposed to track him and if he goes into the gymnasium after the track make sure he doesn't drop the baton there too?
Maybe our sport should just let anything go if people think someone should be DQd for this
It's not just that he tossed the baton, he's generally being a douchebag at the finish. Takes his sweet ass time getting up off the finish line, very slowly walks away- but then turns around and wanders back into lane 1, almost taking out a finishing runner, before cutting through the officials' finish line area and tossing the baton right in front of an official. There's no rule for "general finish line douchebaggery" but there is one for baton tossing so they got him on that.
The reality is that track officials are complete jerks. I know a few really good ones (they love the sport and love the kids/athletes), but there are so many that are miserable people. It was always what I hated about bringing my kids to meets. Especially USATF officials at summer meets. One time I had athlete who was deaf and I needed to talk to the starter to let him know. Before the meet even started, I simply tried going over to speak to an official and I was treated like a POS for even trying. Just one example of many.
I'm all for rules and keeping things structured, but this sport deals with some real a-hole officiating.
Wow people advocating for a DQ are nuts. Not the type of people you want to have at a party.
A toss is different than a throw.
And intent should matter. This is high school sport.
Why was the rule crafted? So come guy who is exhausted couldn't toss or drop the baton in the infield when he was done with it and it would impact no one?
I don't think so.
We're supposed to track him and if he goes into the gymnasium after the track make sure he doesn't drop the baton there too?
Maybe our sport should just let anything go if people think someone should be DQd for this
The rule was crafted so that the batons weren’t thrown AND officials don’t have to make judgement calls. Really want to have arguments about after a kid toss the batons and hits someone in the head what the intent was.
And no you don’t have to track the kid to the locker room if the kid does the normal thing and just hand the baton to the person collecting them. Like in every relay that gets run.
Any coach worth their salt knows you drill this day 1 with your kids. At the state meet, you finish, you hand the baton to the official, and you leave the track: this applies to first and last place.
Are instances like this a little out of line and warranting a potential clausal change where it can be appealed? Yes.
But this kid put the ref in a position to make a call. I've watched the video 5 times and it looks like a throw based on disappointment rather than fatigue. Again, looks. Do not force officials to make judgement calls.
Hopefully this kid wasn't a senior, and I hope none of his teammates were. That was a really dumb mistake that cost essentially an entire season in about a quarter of a second. Learn from it and move on
PS. I might actually be for a rule - under no circumstances can you throw a baton ever. If that was a rule, then I'd get it. But it's not, right?
i think it's understood by most you can't throw a baton. BUT STILL, and I don't care that it's a judgement call. A jury of appeals should be able to overturn a call like that.
When I hear stuff like this, Im really proud to be part of the league and section im with because we will make changes to be certain we aren't screwing over kids who don't deserve it.
whatever rules we have aren't the damn constitution of the USA. something like this can be overturned. give me a break.
If you watch other videos of the same meet there is an official collecting batons in the same area where this kid tossed/threw/dropped the baton in the opposite direction. IF the kid displayed complete indifference I can understand the DQ. In the end the goal is better humans not just faster splits and medals.
Exactly when and how are you allowed to take the baton out of your hand? What if he sat on the infield and dropped it to the ground? This is completely absurd and the official who disqualified him should be disqualified.
The rules CLEARLY state that you must gently place the baton in a padded case with both hands, which is then carefully carried by a two-person crew back to the team's designated gathering area. Any nicks or scratches on the baton will result in a lifetime ban.