wondering what this will do to lower level div 1 schools that still give some $ now.. Thinking America East, CAA, MAAC, MEAC and others??
Will those schools even opt-in? I thought it would just was mostly the P5 schools. Those schools, patriot league, Mountain West, etc. may see an increase in talent. Did I read it correctly? or am I way off?
wondering what this will do to lower level div 1 schools that still give some $ now.. Thinking America East, CAA, MAAC, MEAC and others??
Will those schools even opt-in? I thought it would just was mostly the P5 schools. Those schools, patriot league, Mountain West, etc. may see an increase in talent. Did I read it correctly? or am I way off?
Most, if not all of the G5 schools will opt in. Big East will opt in, and may dominate basketball since they don't have to pay football players.
Last educated speculation I saw indicated about 100 schools will not opt in. These will all be FCS schools, military academies, and smaller non-football schools.
Lets see how many schools drop to D2, D3, or abandon ship for the NAIA.
Will those schools even opt-in? I thought it would just was mostly the P5 schools. Those schools, patriot league, Mountain West, etc. may see an increase in talent. Did I read it correctly? or am I way off?
Most, if not all of the G5 schools will opt in. Big East will opt in, and may dominate basketball since they don't have to pay football players.
Last educated speculation I saw indicated about 100 schools will not opt in. These will all be FCS schools, military academies, and smaller non-football schools.
Lets see how many schools drop to D2, D3, or abandon ship for the NAIA.
interesting... by not opting in are they still eligible for post season ncaa?? both teams in XC ( probably not likely to get in but you never know) and/or individuals track and XC??
Most, if not all of the G5 schools will opt in. Big East will opt in, and may dominate basketball since they don't have to pay football players.
Last educated speculation I saw indicated about 100 schools will not opt in. These will all be FCS schools, military academies, and smaller non-football schools.
Lets see how many schools drop to D2, D3, or abandon ship for the NAIA.
interesting... by not opting in are they still eligible for post season ncaa?? both teams in XC ( probably not likely to get in but you never know) and/or individuals track and XC??
I think they should be able to be eligible for the postseason. I think that the fact that they said schools can opt-in or opt-out means that there won't be a penalty if say, NAU doesn't opt in because they compete in the Big Sky. However, a good question is the Big East. There's money coming in for basketball, but not as much as the ACC or Big Ten to have all those scholarships. So what will happen to competitive teams like Villanova, Georgetown, and Providence?
This is where we are headed. The Opt-out schools will be non-competitive and it will be apparent very quickly. Look at what NIL and the transfer portal did to the NCAA Basketball tournament this year. The Power Four dominated, and the cinderella story is over, forever. This will exacerbate that.
Mid-major schools that have been competitive in cross country, tennis, golf, etc., will see that come to a screeching halt in this format, if they opt-out. Then they will push for their own division (NCAA Championships) without dropping to Division II.
Even Northern Arizona cross country will fall by the wayside if they opt out.
I'm a distance runner at a school in one of those mid-major conferences and can say that it's been pretty rough so far. I'm waiting to hear if my school will have the funding to grandfather in athletes, but I wouldn't be surprised if we don't. What we have heard is that the XC budget has been decreased; we are taking less guys to conference than in years past and probably to our invitationals too. Also, something we were told is that if cuts might happen, they might not entirely be based on ability, for example if we have to decide between two guys that both probably aren't going to score at conference, the one who pays more in tuition might be kept even if he is slower. We are likely going to have some people be XC only, at the very least.
They should definitely be eligible for NCAA tournaments. I'm sure the Ivy League, even for all its traditionalist beliefs, wouldn't have opted out if they couldn't participate in the postseason.
Ivies will still be attractive to bright kids who:
- qualify for financial aid
- have family money to just pay.
You can get NIL still at Ivies, just the real NIL where a legit sponsor pays you.
The new revenue sharing and NIL enforcement commission will attempt to eliminate the pure 'cash in a bag' NIL of the last 2 years. We will see how that goes.
Cash in a bag NIL will be impossible to track now. Johnny gets $300k from the school and $200k cash in bag. Can you tell?
There will be no “hey why is he driving a Porsche?” questions asked. No reason to investigate the kid.
“Cash in a bag” is not a coherent track and field scenario. Programs are thrashing around trying to see if they can find more than the 12.5/17(?) that they had pre House. The question is how many “Johnnys” there will be at all. They will get no cash in a bag. The “haves” will more frequently be fully developed foreign athletes (caveat in view of current politics about student visas). Punchline is that American high school track participation will slowly atrophy because there is a net decline in college level opportunity and the sport will wither from the bottom up. It’s not over yet, but it will be soon.
Cash in a bag NIL will be impossible to track now. Johnny gets $300k from the school and $200k cash in bag. Can you tell?
There will be no “hey why is he driving a Porsche?” questions asked. No reason to investigate the kid.
“Cash in a bag” is not a coherent track and field scenario. Programs are thrashing around trying to see if they can find more than the 12.5/17(?) that they had pre House. The question is how many “Johnnys” there will be at all. They will get no cash in a bag. The “haves” will more frequently be fully developed foreign athletes (caveat in view of current politics about student visas). Punchline is that American high school track participation will slowly atrophy because there is a net decline in college level opportunity and the sport will wither from the bottom up. It’s not over yet, but it will be soon.
Sorry yeah, of course cash in a bag is just plausible for FB and MBB.
D2 will get tougher as the quality of the talent pool increases due to former D1 transfers.
JUCO will flourish since two years of development will not count against D1 eligibility. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a feeder system develop where D1 universities stash recruits at a nearby JUCO to develop athletically, academically, and emotionally before getting called up.
D3 and NAIA won’t change much. They will get some better athletes but the kids wanting to be D1 stars are not likely to pick small liberal arts and religious schools to begin with.
“Cash in a bag” is not a coherent track and field scenario. Programs are thrashing around trying to see if they can find more than the 12.5/17(?) that they had pre House. The question is how many “Johnnys” there will be at all. They will get no cash in a bag. The “haves” will more frequently be fully developed foreign athletes (caveat in view of current politics about student visas). Punchline is that American high school track participation will slowly atrophy because there is a net decline in college level opportunity and the sport will wither from the bottom up. It’s not over yet, but it will be soon.
Sorry yeah, of course cash in a bag is just plausible for FB and MBB.
There will always be rich weirdos who might get jollies off funding T&F at this school or that. But that is not a coherent plan for the sport. The sport has acute sclerosis. Look at USOPC and USATF sitting by for years with thumbs up a$$ as their lifeblood is spilled. Not a single amicus brief in House; not a single objection. The big end of the talent funnel will be half as wide and the narrow end will that much smaller. letsrun>>we used to run.
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Sorry yeah, of course cash in a bag is just plausible for FB and MBB.
With NIL in general and 'cash in the bag', I was speaking more about mens football and basketball.
Although we have now had the $1.5million NIL in WBB and $1million for Softball.
It would not shock me if some booster money makes it to t&f in addition to scholarship in SEC and Oregon/USC. Of course much less.
Meanwhile some schools now generate legitimate NIL for whole athletic department, team specific, and for jersey sales.
BYU has a sponsor for entire women's sports that pays each female athlete $6000 annually.
UConn has a bank that sponsors all sports, and a bakery that has entire women's hoop team.
UConn gear sales get divided by team and jersey number.
Even if there is policing of 'pure booster cash', these smaller legit deals will remain, as well as bib brand deals for stars.
If an average team member can get $15-$25k annually from these small NIL deals, it's still real money for the smaller team athletes.
No dispute that there will be anecdotal pay situations. Will they last? Doubt it. But there are scores of All Americans today for whom the $15-25k NIL deals are not materializing.
D2 will get tougher as the quality of the talent pool increases due to former D1 transfers.
JUCO will flourish since two years of development will not count against D1 eligibility. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a feeder system develop where D1 universities stash recruits at a nearby JUCO to develop athletically, academically, and emotionally before getting called up.
D3 and NAIA won’t change much. They will get some better athletes but the kids wanting to be D1 stars are not likely to pick small liberal arts and religious schools to begin with.
I agree, except that I'd group NAIA with D2 since they are often pretty generous with scholarships. Also has there been movement in the JUCO years not counting beyond the exception for 2025-2026? Or is JUCO not counting a part of your Krystal Bawl?
none of the rules will be followed. biggest winner will be schools that can somehow raise NIL money for track, because almost no schools are going to put money in budgets for a track roster, and many wont even use all the available scholarships
wonder whether club teams coached by assistants or something will become more important as part of development process to save roster spots for the big time programs? go to oregon, run for club team and be coached by solinsky for a year or two and then once they think you can score at big tens you move onto the active roster