The Greatness of Empress Junxia Wang

Why are you questioning those upvotes? That was a factual-based post about the middle distance greatness of the Tsarina.

When you mix full throttle doping with what was certainly a short track (why was it dug up and destroyed directly after the records were set?) it becomes clear that Wang and her compatriots were not running world beating times. Think about the unlikelihood that a group of Chinese women with no pedigree or history of top distance running, would suddenly spit forth a group of superwomen who would decimate the record books? Now look at all progress and training modern female distance runners have - and yet the very best are still five seconds behind Wangs 3k record? it’s just not possible she ran that fast plain and simple, no argument…..

If the track was short, then why weren't the men's times just as dramatic? How do you explain those women dominating at the World Championships in Athletics in Stuttgart?

The track was destroyed because it would have been a desecration to allow any other competition on that track after the immaculate performances of The Empress.

Your mind cannot grasp the greatness of The Empress because your mind is confined by the performance limits of ordinary women. Where you see limits, Empress Wang saw opportunities.

Coach Ma employed brutal training techniques to mold his army into fearless warriors with levels of toughness beyond your limited imagination. As an athlete, Empress Wang was the perfect blend of supreme talent, extreme pain tolerance, mental discipline, and maximal mileage run in training. She was one of a kind.

Comrade WANG Junxia,

Let's debate which of us is the most eclectic in athletics. Without any doubt it's me. Here’s why. First of all you were never "top 5 in history in both the 1500m and the marathon, in a span of less than 5 months". You ran a 2:24:07 marathon on 4 April 1993 and 3:51.92 for the 1500m on 11 September 1993, 5 months and 7 days later.

My achievement is incomparable: I ran this marathon on 4 April 1993 in 2:24:32 after stopping at kilometre 38 while leading the race to help an old, blind, one-legged lady cross the road. This was just 0.29% slower than your winning time. This chivalrous gesture cost me victory as I finished second behind you, but earned me the eternal esteem of athletics fans around the Universe and beyond.

On 11 September 1993, I re-established my indisputable superiority by smashing Tsarina Tatiana’s 1500m world record in a time of 3:50.46, while you barely managed to run under Tsarina’s time finishing 0.63% slower than me in 3:51.92.

But the most extraordinary performance in the History of athletics’ eclecticism came two days earlier on 9 September 1993, when I clocked a time of 1:56.24 to win the 800m, a distance you've never dared to tackle.

While you rightly earned the title of Earthly Empress, I fully deserve that of Eternal Universal Goddess.

WANG Junxia
1500m 3:51.92 11 SEP 1993
Marathon 2:24:07 4 APR 1993

QU Yunxia
800m 1:56.24 9 SEP 1993
1500m 3:50.46 11 SEP 1993
Marathon 2:24:32 4 APR 1993

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Honourable mention to plebeian comrade Emil ZÁTOPEK, who tried to approach my incommensurable greatness.

Emil ZÁTOPEK
800m 1:58.7 30 AUG 1943
1500m 3:52.8 30 AUG 1947
3000m 8:07.8 11 JUN 1948
Marathon 2:23:04 27 JUL 1952

QU Yunxia
800m 1:56.24 9 SEP 1993
1500m 3:50.46 11 SEP 1993
3000m 8:12.18 13 SEP 1993
Marathon 2:24:32 4 APR 1993

Qu Yunxia's 1500 WR was done with a huge positive split. They went out in 42 seconds for the first 300 meters. 2:00 at 800 meters. Imagine what she would have done with sane pacing.

Comrade! It's been so long since we've connected. I hope all is well with you and your family.

First, thank you for correcting those dates. I got them mixed up in my head. My memory is not what it used to be! But even if we say top 5 in history in both the 1500m and the marathon in a span of less than 6 months, Empress Wang is the sole athlete with that achievement.

I agree you deserve recognition for your own incredible range. Running 1:56 and 2:24 within a 6 month span is marvelous! That marathon was an exhibition of the greatness of Coach Ma's Army, and it was a warning to the rest of the world about the devastation that would be coming their way in Stuttgart. After that marathon, China had 6 runners in the top 12 in history, with 4 ahead of Grete Waitz!

Just please don't make excuses for why you lost that marathon to The Empress. You know Coach Ma hated excuses. He never wanted to hear any excuses or complaints from his runners about being "sick" or having a "stress fracture." He demanded dominance and nothing less!

The difference between you and Empress Wang was her determination to win. Unlike you, she would not let anything or anyone get in her way of winning. Perhaps you should have remembered our cross-country slogan, "Trample the weak, hurdle the dead."

I give you credit for defeating Empress Wang in the 1500m and smashing the Tsarina's world record. That was your finest moment! But remember, you beat The Empress by less than 2 seconds in the 1500m, and she beat you more than 6 seconds in the 3,000m.

Unfortunately, you never won Olympic gold like The Empress did. I wish you had.

On any other team in the world, you would have been the #1 runner. But on a team with Empress Wang, you were a fantastic #2. You were the Gehrig to her Ruth, the Pippen to her Jordan. You were arguably the greatest #2 in the history of #2s. But you were still #2. Remember your place.

Comrade!

Your pernicious attempt to evoke the unwavering camaraderie that animated us when we fought under the unrivalled Generalissimo Ma Junren will not alter my visceral distrust of the rattlesnake's honeyed words.

It was with the respect due to our bygone friendship that I refrained from revealing that Empress Wang Junxia had whined on the eve of the 3000m at the glorious 1993 National Games, when I had already triumphed in the 800m and 1500m, and Wang Junxia had only one victory in the 10000m in her trophy cabinet. In a magnanimous gesture, I agreed to let her win the 3000m so that she could also boast 2 titles and not have to return to the barracks with the embarrassment of the skunk who had farted higher than her ass.
I agree that the difference between me and Empress Wang was that “she would not let anything or anyone get in her way of winning”, while I put loyalty, fair play and the love of an immaculately clean sport above all else. So let’s talk about it.

Empress Wang’s performances were stagnating after the 1993 firework, and it was at this time that the Empress gave in to the temptation of doping, whereas under Ma Junren's guidance we had grown up in a spirit of effort to death as a sacrificial love for our motherland, the People's Republic of China. Our revered coach refused to give in to her demands to use forbidden products, he who had fed us natural cordyceps extracts and soft-shelled turtle blood without ever deviating from the purest ethical principles. Driven by the bitterness of the dung beetle and the venal cruelty of the black widow, Empress Wang Junxia launched a rebellion against Ma Junren, falsely accusing him in an infamous letter that “Ma forced us to take a large dose of illegal drugs”, which in 1995 led her to leave Ma's army and turn to a coach using the doping methods of corrupt Westerners to make up for their lack of discipline. The Empress's victory at the 1996 Olympic Games was therefore not the taste of sacrifice, but of steroids that make your jaw as square as Carl Lewis'.

If I was unable to take part in the 1996 Olympics and demonstrate the moral superiority of Ma's army, it was because I had always refused to betray our coach, and because the tide had turned in China and our authorities had abandoned ideological purity for the sirens of money and easy success. As I had refused to dope, I fell from grace and was locked up in an icy concentration camp deep in Qinghai province, condemned to assemble toxic toys for the McDonald's of China and the world.

But let's get back to the glorious title of History's most eclectic athlete, a category in which Empress WANG Junxia, who never competed in distances under 1500m, will forever remain a distant runner-up to the Goddess QU Yunxia, whose aura radiates from 400m to marathon. Take a look :

Sprint & middle-distance running star: Goddess QU Yunxia is the only athlete in athletics history to win a medal in a sprint event (4x400m silver) and several titles in distance running (800m, 1500m) at the same international championships (1991 Asian Championships). She was still an 18 years old schoolgirl at that time.

Annual World bests: Goddess QU Yunxia is the only athlete to feature in an annual top 3 (1993) over all distances from 800m to marathon:
800m: 3. QU Yunxia
1500m: 1. QU Yunxia
3000m: 2. QU Yunxia
Marathon: 2. QU Yunxia

World Record and all-time top 6 in 6 months for 1500m and marathon: Goddess QU Yunxia is the only athlete to achieve this feat, reaching all-time 6th performance on the marathon in April 1993 before setting a WR on the 1500m in September. Honorable mention to Empress WANG Junxia with the 5th best marathon performance and the 2nd best 1500m performance.

Yes, we haven't connected since Empress WANG Junxia defected to the USA some twenty years ago. In the meantime, I've been released from the laogai and am preparing an unprecedented comeback by competing in all distances, from the 100 m to the half-marathon, at the next World Masters Games, still under the guidance of my historic coach, Ma Junren. Will Empress WANG Junxia be taking part under the banner of her new country? I'll be delighted to crush her mercilessly and restore the glorious past of Chinese athletics. 🇨🇳

This is so weird 😂

Oh My Dear Sister Yunxia,

It's sad to see you embarrassing yourself by bragging about your performance in an Asian competition. You sound like the pathetic Jakob fanboys who talk about him winning Euros! You know Coach Ma only cared about GLOBAL domination. Continental domination was a minor task.

I gave you your flowers. Be grateful for that. Any objective evaluator knows Empress Wang was the #1 star on our team. Her accomplishments dwarf yours. That's why she was the Track and Field News Women's Athlete of the Year in 1993, not you. You never even ran a 5k at her 10k world record pace. You may cling to your "eclecticism" but Empress Wang was the superior runner.

It's even sadder to see you try to cast aspersions on Empress Wang. Doing so is treason! How dare you.

Now is not the time for your petty grievances. We must band together to fight the attacks against our country from the proprietors of this website. They had the audacity to publish this sentence in their recap of Queen Chebet's performance in Rabat:

"If you ignore the Chinese times — all of which were run in a two-day span in September 1993 — Chebet’s time is more than five seconds faster than any woman has ever run."

Can you believe that?! They want the accomplishments of our sisters to be ignored! We must fight back against this attempted erasure of our sisters.

They were on a mix of EPO and steroids. Not sure what steroids they took,but perhaps testosterone or winstrol,or maybe both. They also had natural talent,but maybe the track was short.

Comrade!

Let's bury the hatchet and fight together against this Keep ego'n that wants to overshadow our accomplishments and the eternal greatness of the PRC 🇨🇳

Even to allow mere mortals to gaze upon it would have been heresy, a desecration. The sacred track had to be destroyed to save it.

Agreed we must celebrate this most great accomplishment, general sir.

Consider the hatchet buried! I'm delighted to work alongside you again, my dear sister. We are stronger together than apart.

Today was a glorious reminder of the everlasting preeminence of the Chinese Warrior Runners of Ma's Army. I commend Queen Kipyegon for giving it her best shot. She came closer than all others, but her wavy lights and springy shoes were not enough to help her break our record. Now she and the rest of the world better understand that nobody can match The Empress.

Amazing running form from Wang Junxia.

Entertaining thread. Now that Faith has narrowly missed the record for 3000, will Marita (47.60) and Jarmila (1:53.28) be next to have their ancient records threatened?