A pretty good performance but shows that he is not a miler. Especially on his somewhat strength based program. I dont think he can become one either. Fast 400/800 guys cant just increase mileage and become better at endurance events. The same thing that makes them respond well to sprint training makes them respond poorly to true endurance training.
lol wut
Once upon a time, any HSer running 4:06 would be pretty dang impressive. But a sophmore running 4:06 is already crazy in its own right. Combine that with his 400/800 times and the type of training he does, this is quite impressive.
Lots of people have strength but having the 400 speed is key. Its a limiting factor for people like Teare etc in the 1500.
I won't be surprised if we see this kid 5-10 years from now making a US team in the 1500.
But he runs fast in the mile because he can run c. 1:45 in the 800, not the other way around. Just because "lots of people" (only the pure distance runners you are around lol) are limited by strength does not mean that many other sprinters are incapable of moving up because they are limited by strength developement. Maybe he can make a 1500 team in ten years, but that is only because he can make an 800 team in 3. lrc guys like you seem to just think that fast sprinter types can just magically move up. Not happening.
I hate letsruns obsession with guys moving up. Obviously a very impressive performance but
1. Much less impressive than his 1:46 indoors
2. not as impressive as his 46.3 (!!!) at least according to IAAF points calculator, which says it’s equivalent to a 3:58 mile.
yeah bro might end up running more mileage, doing more T, getting way stronger, but you could say the same about getting older, developing, probably doing more lifting and plyos. He’s a brazier type of runner, perfect for 800 with some range. That’ll be fun for a few years, but in today’s USA track world, he’ll need to develop into a sub 3:29 guy to make a team one day in the 15. I mean Marco freakin Langon has run 3:33 as a true junior and that’s not even his best event. Cooper could end up being the short distance goat in grand slam though
God thank you. So many people in another thread about him running 46.30 were blabbering about how he's gonna suddenly be a world class 1500/miler some day. Like that's NOT HOW THAT STUFF WORKS.
LRC junkies will see any 400m/800m talent run a remotely fast mile and say, "yeah, there's a future sub 3:50 mile guy right there"
No. Even if he does break 4:00, (which I'm not saying he never will) that still doesn't mean he's gonna be a freaking WR contender or something. Good lord these people are ridiculous. Let the kid stick to his obvious specialties and pursue it. Stop fantasizing about a move-up. It's not that simple.
Him switching to the mile would require an entire revaluation of his training, which would just be dumb. Just because he runs 46.3 and runs ~ 35 mpw doesn't mean he'll break the national record for it. Take a step back yall.
No. That’s not how that thread went. Sure a few people may want him move up but the majority want to him to be an 800 who is also great at 4/mile.
Its the people like you say he can’t be great at all 3 that people get annoyed with because currently he’s great at all 3 so why does him running a 45 400m automatically disqualify him from being great at the 1500m?
it’s just simple minded thinking.
Btw - most people don’t just assume every 800m runner can be great. They use data points. For example, there was no one saying Cade Flatt should run the mile.
I hate letsruns obsession with guys moving up. Obviously a very impressive performance but
1. Much less impressive than his 1:46 indoors
2. not as impressive as his 46.3 (!!!) at least according to IAAF points calculator, which says it’s equivalent to a 3:58 mile.
yeah bro might end up running more mileage, doing more T, getting way stronger, but you could say the same about getting older, developing, probably doing more lifting and plyos. He’s a brazier type of runner, perfect for 800 with some range. That’ll be fun for a few years, but in today’s USA track world, he’ll need to develop into a sub 3:29 guy to make a team one day in the 15. I mean Marco freakin Langon has run 3:33 as a true junior and that’s not even his best event. Cooper could end up being the short distance goat in grand slam though
Are people even saying he should move up? All I see are people speculating that he could run faster in an event that he is actively running. I don't see anyone saying he should become a 1500/5k guy (even with solid XC chops for an 800 guy). The closest I see is someone saying he might be able to make a 1500m team in the future, which you would see in literally any thread of a sophomore running a 4:06 full mile. If anyone was gonna make double 800/1500 teams in the future, it would be Hobbs Kessler, but if anyone else was going to, it would be this kid. Also, the WA points may be better for the 400, but for his age, I think the 4:06 is way more impressive. I know Rheinhardt Harrison ran like 4:01 as a soph, but besides that idk who else has run faster. Webb maybe?
I see no reason to keep him from pursuing the mile, and I see no reason to keep him from pursuing the 400/800 as well. Obviously his training is working well for all 3 events right now, and he's already racing all 3 events. Every college coach is gonna want a guy that's nationally competitive in the 400/4x400/800/1500/mile/every DMR leg. Have we ever seen a successful 400/800/1500 triple at conference or something?
I do really like your Brazier comparison. I think the only time I ever watched him race live was that 3:35 with a 51 last lap that he absolutely jogged, and at the time I didn't realize how great that was lol. Didn't 3:48 miler Ethan Strand just run a ~3:45 with a 51 last lap like yesterday? I don't think Brazier was ever gonna be a 3:28 guy, but I think he would've been internationally competitive in any 3:32+ race. Way too early to know if Cooper pans out the same, but for the time being, I like how he's focusing on the 800 while developing his strength and speed, and testing it with the 400/mile.
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Once upon a time, any HSer running 4:06 would be pretty dang impressive. But a sophmore running 4:06 is already crazy in its own right. Combine that with his 400/800 times and the type of training he does, this is quite impressive.
Lots of people have strength but having the 400 speed is key. Its a limiting factor for people like Teare etc in the 1500.
I won't be surprised if we see this kid 5-10 years from now making a US team in the 1500.
But he runs fast in the mile because he can run c. 1:45 in the 800, not the other way around. Just because "lots of people" (only the pure distance runners you are around lol) are limited by strength does not mean that many other sprinters are incapable of moving up because they are limited by strength developement. Maybe he can make a 1500 team in ten years, but that is only because he can make an 800 team in 3. lrc guys like you seem to just think that fast sprinter types can just magically move up. Not happening.You are a clown. People feel Cooper can eventually move up because he trains lightly and just ran 4:06. That’s pure talent. First you say he’s strength based then you say he’s merely a sprinter and because he can (probably) run 1:45 that’s why he produced this mile. There are scores of collegiate half milers who as fast as him or faster who couldn’t break 4:10. You know it. Cooper’s level of talent bothers you for some reason. No one knows what he will eventually run in any event, yet. That includes pessimists like you.
You come off as jealous. People feel Cooper can eventually move up because he trains lightly and just ran 4:06. That’s pure talent. First you say he’s strength based then you say he’s merely a sprinter and because he can (probably) run 1:45 that’s why he produced this mile. There are scores of collegiate half milers who as fast as him or faster who couldn’t break 4:10. You know it. Cooper’s level of talent bothers you for some reason. No one knows what he will eventually run in any event, yet. That includes pessimists like you.
We haven't had a truly competitive guy at 800/1500 since Ryun, so that would be nice to have and that is his ceiling. It would probably not take much, maybe a tempo to replace one fast workout, for him to go sub-4 already. If he gains too much muscle, this may not happen, but anyone who can run 4:06 in that weather on 30-35 mpw as a sophomore can run well under 4 as a senior with slight changes in training.
It wasn’t the fastest conditions either mid 90’s earlier high humidity, storms helped some. Pacer spot on 3:00 at 3/4.
Great performance, but pacers in HS races are an abomination, especially all the way through 1200m in a mile race. If I was the guy in 2nd place, I'd be kind of irked that the fast kid gets his own personal pacer instead of having to race the field.
We haven't had a truly competitive guy at 800/1500 since Ryun, so that would be nice to have and that is his ceiling. It would probably not take much, maybe a tempo to replace one fast workout, for him to go sub-4 already. If he gains too much muscle, this may not happen, but anyone who can run 4:06 in that weather on 30-35 mpw as a sophomore can run well under 4 as a senior with slight changes in training.
Hobbs Kessler isn't competitive in the 800/1500? 1:43.64/3:46.90 isn't competitive?
I hate letsruns obsession with guys moving up. Obviously a very impressive performance but
1. Much less impressive than his 1:46 indoors
2. not as impressive as his 46.3 (!!!) at least according to IAAF points calculator, which says it’s equivalent to a 3:58 mile.
yeah bro might end up running more mileage, doing more T, getting way stronger, but you could say the same about getting older, developing, probably doing more lifting and plyos. He’s a brazier type of runner, perfect for 800 with some range. That’ll be fun for a few years, but in today’s USA track world, he’ll need to develop into a sub 3:29 guy to make a team one day in the 15. I mean Marco freakin Langon has run 3:33 as a true junior and that’s not even his best event. Cooper could end up being the short distance goat in grand slam though
Are people even saying he should move up? All I see are people speculating that he could run faster in an event that he is actively running. I don't see anyone saying he should become a 1500/5k guy (even with solid XC chops for an 800 guy). The closest I see is someone saying he might be able to make a 1500m team in the future, which you would see in literally any thread of a sophomore running a 4:06 full mile. If anyone was gonna make double 800/1500 teams in the future, it would be Hobbs Kessler, but if anyone else was going to, it would be this kid. Also, the WA points may be better for the 400, but for his age, I think the 4:06 is way more impressive. I know Rheinhardt Harrison ran like 4:01 as a soph, but besides that idk who else has run faster. Webb maybe?
I see no reason to keep him from pursuing the mile, and I see no reason to keep him from pursuing the 400/800 as well. Obviously his training is working well for all 3 events right now, and he's already racing all 3 events. Every college coach is gonna want a guy that's nationally competitive in the 400/4x400/800/1500/mile/every DMR leg. Have we ever seen a successful 400/800/1500 triple at conference or something?
I do really like your Brazier comparison. I think the only time I ever watched him race live was that 3:35 with a 51 last lap that he absolutely jogged, and at the time I didn't realize how great that was lol. Didn't 3:48 miler Ethan Strand just run a ~3:45 with a 51 last lap like yesterday? I don't think Brazier was ever gonna be a 3:28 guy, but I think he would've been internationally competitive in any 3:32+ race. Way too early to know if Cooper pans out the same, but for the time being, I like how he's focusing on the 800 while developing his strength and speed, and testing it with the 400/mile.
Does anyone care what he does in the minor leagues if the NCAA? I think a lot of us think he is going to struggle to be a 3:28 that you need to be to be competive in the 1500m. Why? Cause the dude is too fast🤣 seriously what does a 46.3 guy as a sophomore run in 4 years? Like 45.5 conservatively. Those guys all seem to be much better 800m guys than 1500m.
Maybe he is the exception.But if Inwas planning his training it would be to be an 800m guy who runs the 1500m nor a 1500m guy who runs the 800m..
We haven't had a truly competitive guy at 800/1500 since Ryun, so that would be nice to have and that is his ceiling. It would probably not take much, maybe a tempo to replace one fast workout, for him to go sub-4 already. If he gains too much muscle, this may not happen, but anyone who can run 4:06 in that weather on 30-35 mpw as a sophomore can run well under 4 as a senior with slight changes in training.
Just adding a tempo will not turn him into a sub-4:00 miler. He is what he is, and he’s probably more 400/800m than 800/1500m. Either way, if he is in peak shape for the 800m, it will be the same for both the 400 and 1500/mile.
It’s like you say I’d like a full tank of gas, not a tank of gas, to reinforce the distinction between the full and a partial amount.
“Reinforce the distinction”? So, would I say “It’s a full half mile” (to distinguish from a quarter mile)? Or, it’s a full 10-miler? Isn’t the “full” just redundant?
With his mileage, there'd be no right to expect much faster just now but he looks like he's jogging. The endurance isn't fully there to break four just yet, as a sophomore, and he might get a lot stronger and become more of a 400/800 guy but it looks like he'll get it as a junior next year.
Don't sleep on Gulf Breeze (FL) sophomore Andrew Beroset, who also ran a 4:06 mile this year (and 8:52) as a near future sub-4 threat.
You come off as jealous. People feel Cooper can eventually move up because he trains lightly and just ran 4:06. That’s pure talent. First you say he’s strength based then you say he’s merely a sprinter and because he can (probably) run 1:45 that’s why he produced this mile. There are scores of collegiate half milers who as fast as him or faster who couldn’t break 4:10. You know it. Cooper’s level of talent bothers you for some reason. No one knows what he will eventually run in any event, yet. That includes pessimists like you.
He doesn’t really train lightly for someone who is only 16 and thrives in the 800, let’s just be clear on that point. 30-35 mpw is pretty decent for a HS sophomore and 800m runner generally, especially when he’s also doing sprint training. Many speed-based 800m runners run less than that even in the pros. The exciting thing is clearly he handles the endurance work well and translates upwards well. Clearly there is upside in the 1500/mile but the 800m is far and away the leader for where his future lies, and there is similar upside at the 400 if not higher than the 1500/mile.