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Yes, that is technically true. He is from there. I am okay with him being sent home after his legal options and everything has been adjudicated.
The real problem is that we care about the process. The process needs to hold up thousands of times each day without making any mistakes. Think of what would happen if you were wrongfully accused of something! That would ruin your life. You should have the right to explain and defend yourself.
If this guy had that chance, we heard him out and sent him home. I am fine with that. But you can't just send people to prison without a trial or a lawyer. We all know that...
p.s. It is even worse if the prison you are sending them to is outside the US, out of our control, and has no way to allow for people to appeal their sentence. They are getting "life in prison" in El Salvador based on what verdict?
The first is that it was, in fact, adjudicated that while Mr. Abrego could be deported, it could not be to El Salvador. This was decided in 2019. It was also during Trump's first term. So, under the Trump administration, it was approved that El Salvador was not his legal home.
The second is that we are supposed to be a rule of law country. This was the very platform that Republicans won on because of the unlawful behavior of the Democrats as they alleged during BLM and other protests. If the law advocates for due process, how, if we are a rule of law country, are we supposed to ignore the law because the rule of law party decides that the executive branch of government, which signs the law into existence, and the judicial branch, which codifies the law have switched places in priority?
A Bill becomes a law only after Congress and the Senate vote on it, a President signs it and the judicial branch.... responsible for creation of actual laws... signs it into law.
Are we willing to upend basic American civics just for a result that some wish to see?
Yes, that is technically true. He is from there. I am okay with him being sent home after his legal options and everything has been adjudicated.
The real problem is that we care about the process. The process needs to hold up thousands of times each day without making any mistakes. Think of what would happen if you were wrongfully accused of something! That would ruin your life. You should have the right to explain and defend yourself.
If this guy had that chance, we heard him out and sent him home. I am fine with that. But you can't just send people to prison without a trial or a lawyer. We all know that...
p.s. It is even worse if the prison you are sending them to is outside the US, out of our control, and has no way to allow for people to appeal their sentence. They are getting "life in prison" in El Salvador based on what verdict?
The first is that it was, in fact, adjudicated that while Mr. Abrego could be deported, it could not be to El Salvador. This was decided in 2019. It was also during Trump's first term. So, under the Trump administration, it was approved that El Salvador was not his legal home.
The second is that we are supposed to be a rule of law country. This was the very platform that Republicans won on because of the unlawful behavior of the Democrats as they alleged during BLM and other protests. If the law advocates for due process, how, if we are a rule of law country, are we supposed to ignore the law because the rule of law party decides that the executive branch of government, which signs the law into existence, and the judicial branch, which codifies the law have switched places in priority?
A Bill becomes a law only after Congress and the Senate vote on it, a President signs it and the judicial branch.... responsible for creation of actual laws... signs it into law.
Are we willing to upend basic American civics just for a result that some wish to see?
This is not partisan, but basic civics.
Going further, once a Bill does become a law, it becomes part of the US Code. Now, we can complain or want a different code, but as it stands, anyone coming across the border falls into Civil Code violation unless they are deported and escape across again, after which, it's a criminal violation. However, as it stands now, it's a Civil Code violation.
I didn't write the code and it's possible that the code should be re-written. But that's the current code.
Yes, that is technically true. He is from there. I am okay with him being sent home after his legal options and everything has been adjudicated.
The real problem is that we care about the process. The process needs to hold up thousands of times each day without making any mistakes. Think of what would happen if you were wrongfully accused of something! That would ruin your life. You should have the right to explain and defend yourself.
If this guy had that chance, we heard him out and sent him home. I am fine with that. But you can't just send people to prison without a trial or a lawyer. We all know that...
p.s. It is even worse if the prison you are sending them to is outside the US, out of our control, and has no way to allow for people to appeal their sentence. They are getting "life in prison" in El Salvador based on what verdict?
The first is that it was, in fact, adjudicated that while Mr. Abrego could be deported, it could not be to El Salvador. This was decided in 2019. It was also during Trump's first term. So, under the Trump administration, it was approved that El Salvador was not his legal home.
The second is that we are supposed to be a rule of law country. This was the very platform that Republicans won on because of the unlawful behavior of the Democrats as they alleged during BLM and other protests. If the law advocates for due process, how, if we are a rule of law country, are we supposed to ignore the law because the rule of law party decides that the executive branch of government, which signs the law into existence, and the judicial branch, which codifies the law have switched places in priority?
A Bill becomes a law only after Congress and the Senate vote on it, a President signs it and the judicial branch.... responsible for creation of actual laws... signs it into law.
Are we willing to upend basic American civics just for a result that some wish to see?
This is not partisan, but basic civics.
So the only country on earth that was ever his legal home is the only place he can't be deported to?
The first is that it was, in fact, adjudicated that while Mr. Abrego could be deported, it could not be to El Salvador. This was decided in 2019. It was also during Trump's first term. So, under the Trump administration, it was approved that El Salvador was not his legal home.
The second is that we are supposed to be a rule of law country. This was the very platform that Republicans won on because of the unlawful behavior of the Democrats as they alleged during BLM and other protests. If the law advocates for due process, how, if we are a rule of law country, are we supposed to ignore the law because the rule of law party decides that the executive branch of government, which signs the law into existence, and the judicial branch, which codifies the law have switched places in priority?
A Bill becomes a law only after Congress and the Senate vote on it, a President signs it and the judicial branch.... responsible for creation of actual laws... signs it into law.
Are we willing to upend basic American civics just for a result that some wish to see?
This is not partisan, but basic civics.
So the only country on earth that was ever his legal home is the only place he can't be deported to?
Democrats didn’t care much for the legal process when these invaders came in.
It doesn’t surprise me though that they come to the defense of gang members and wife beaters.
Then legally, we need to send back every person welcomed in by way of President Reagan s Amnesty along with those welcomed in by the Biden administration and also the White South Africans allowed in by the Trump administration. All or nothing. If you are good with it, so am I
None of this matters. Garcia could be a serial killer, he could've r*ped 100 women, he could be a known pedophile. The point is that even the metaphorical Hitler is given the right to argue their case in a court of law. Without that we are left with no recorse other than believing what those in power tell us.
If Garcia is as terrible a person as is said then it should be a slam dunk conviction in court. The LOUD arguments that sending him away is a victory is tantamount to saying the case against him wouldn't convince a jury of peers.
Ask yourself, if Joe Biden was sending Scandanavian men in sports cars away to Haitian prisons for speeding violations prior to any court hearing... Would that be okay? They are objectively a danger to those on the road and you have reason to believe they are dangerous a lot (sports car). Keep in mind Road accidents kill 1.34 million per year, as opposed to 0.34 million by homicide. Even if the stars are fuzzy, that's a full order of magnitude off. So we should logically be deporting 10x as many people for reckless driving as suspected murder potential.
That was a lot of words, feel free to respond with any number of Hilary email/Hunters laptop/Dementia Joe.
Garcia has never been convicted of a crime. A police officer “alleged” he was a member of a gang because of the way he was dressed - including a Chicago Bulls jersey. A judge ruled Garcia could not be deported to El Salvador. A Trump DOJ official said Garcia was mistakenly sent to El Salvador. And then was fired by Trump. The Trump administration is paying $6 million to El Salvador to jail Garcia and the others deported with him. They could get Garcia back in one day if they wanted to. The Supreme Court, including those woke liberals, Alito and Thomas, voted unanimously that Garcia should be returned. But 410 has double secret information that shows all the above is fake news!!! Since he posted it in a message board, it MUST be true.
410 runner is a member of MS-13. Gang members don’t get due process. I will be making sure his house gets violently raided and he gets deported like he belongs. The agents will be masked and armed, i really hope he resists. We don’t need gang members like 410 runner in this country
Maybe a few agents in street clothes at first? 410 runner is a runner, unless he/she is lying about that as well. We don't want to tip off 410 runner that agents are coming or he/she might flee.
"Libs" don't love this guy or want him "in their homes." He might be a horrible criminal for all we know. But what every normal person wants is due process.
No, liberals love him, that's why they're flying to El Salvador to show their support.
In the 1970s, liberals supported the Nazi's right to march in Skoke on First Amendment principles. But they didn't go hang out with the leader of the Nazi party and show their support, which is the equivalent of what they're doing now.
Fact is liberals do want even criminal illegal immigrants to have the right to stay here.
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don't need know due process to figure this one out
It's true, we can't have due process and courts of law to send away people who we believe are criminals. Like OP, 410 runner, for example. I'm 99% he is in this country illegally and beats his wife on a regular basis. 410 runner does not deserve his day in court, because he's obviously a bad person. Do you want HIM in your neighborhood?
Is he a member of a known terrorist organization like your hero in MS-13?
I'm pretty sure he is. I'm also pretty sure you should be put on some serious meds given you spend most of your life on this site.
He is home - right where he belongs, which is an El Salvadoran prison.
All these questions about his status and rights should be for the courts to decide, and the courts had ordered that he shouldn't be deported to El Salvador. The adminstration admitted that they made a mistake.
But if this law and order adminstration wants to start sending our homegrown criminals to foreign gulags, shouldn't we prioritize from the top-down? We have a criminally convicted felon sitting in the Oval Office. Shouldn't we also reconsider the cases of the convicted domestic terrorists from the January 6th riot?
