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1 year ago 04/06/2025 9:43am EDT

re: DumbLogic

DumbLogic wrote:
Ah yes, just how Kerr will be “hiding at home” during every diamond league meet this summer”.
GST sucks it’s just a money grab, Jakob wants to break world records and get medals, i.e. what counts in the sport

The coolest thing about GST is the match-ups without wavelights or pacers. You never see 800 and 1500 guys go head-to-head in a Diamond League, and if you did, Jakob would immediately drop them with the wavelights being set to 3:26.

With Diamond League, you see bonafide world record attempts. Jakob is right to not waste his time dabbling in GST when 2025 could be a pivotal year for him (i.e: 1500/mile world records, 1500 world title at the same track he won his Olympic title). Instead, he's right where he needs to be; in an intense training block at altitude preparing to run 3:25 and 3:42 and obliterate his competition.

Both are good for the sport in different ways.

1 year ago 04/06/2025 9:44am EDT

re: Both are good.

Also, GST provides track and field content in a time of year that otherwise has a lack of pro racing.

1 year ago 04/06/2025 10:04am EDT

re: OACHaters

Kerr ran well until the final 50 meters or so.

1 year ago 04/06/2025 10:22am EDT

re: Winthorpe53

Winthorpe53 wrote:
Kerr is an embarrassment.
One WC win and he’s been strutting around in his silly sunglasses, talking about himself in the third person and trying to cast himself as the main man.
He’s already faded. The Americans have got his number. Jakob will destroy him. He’ll never podium again.

He came second at the Olympics to a guy with 'God' on his side, and we all know what that means.

He's not doing too bad.

1 year ago 04/06/2025 10:22am EDT

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
This was actually not a bad performance for Kerr. OK DFL for the 1500 guys. However, from what we know his winter training was poor will illness and injury. Going into Millrose, he showed a video revealing he tanked his first workout due to a bad hip. His second workout he was better but was gassed as Henry Wynne gapped him as it went on. At Millrose, he DNS with a bug. So at most he’s had about 6 real weeks of training. So to have been in the mix not bad. However, the bigger issue may be he’s the lone top 1500 guy who didn’t have a great buildup/base. He might not get a whole lot better from here whereas Nuguse/Hocker/Jakob/Kessler/Laros all are primed to.

Given that Kerr prides himself on being a closer, I think it’s fair to say that being kicked down by Gourley is a bad day. A year ago, Kerr was coming off dominant two mile and 3k indoor performances and would soon beat the best in the world at Pre. He ain’t at that level this year. For a guy who says he wants his legacy to be “one of the best to have ever done it” races this are a permanent stain. No way around it. When you race as infrequently as Kerr does, dropping a turd like this weighs heavily.

1 year ago 04/06/2025 10:29am EDT

re: Ruxton Towers XC

Ruxton Towers XC wrote:

Better to be a deer on ice than a coward hiding at home in Norway.
Kerr sort of admitted it last year when he said he wanted to get paid without worrying about "running fast" (and it showed today).
p.s. Jakob has an Indoor Worlds gold medal and two world indoor records (1500 and mile). That is hard to do if you are "hiding."

TWO worlds indoor golds and 2 Euros.

1 year ago 04/06/2025 10:32am EDT

re: OACHaters

Kerr ran very well for his first race of the year. He is taking too much sh!t for that race. He put himself in a very good position. Just didn't have it in the end.

Truth be told, he is less talented than Wanyoni, Hocker, or Nuguse. But he is still good enough to win under the right circumstances. And he very well might have the best racing iq of the bunch.

1 year ago 04/06/2025 10:47am EDT

re: high school xc coach

Kerr’s whole image is based on beating jakob. The thing is beating jakob is extremely painful and kerr cannot amp himself up without that rivalry. Thats why he talk the crap it gives motivation. Trying to bear Jakob could very well have burnt him out or he has lost the nerve with too many painful races and workouts

1 year ago 04/06/2025 10:50am EDT

re: trollism

trollism wrote:
Winthorpe53 wrote:
Kerr is an embarrassment.
One WC win and he’s been strutting around in his silly sunglasses, talking about himself in the third person and trying to cast himself as the main man.
He’s already faded. The Americans have got his number. Jakob will destroy him. He’ll never podium again.
He came second at the Olympics to a guy with 'God' on his side, and we all know what that means.
He's not doing too bad.

Yes, we know it means you dislike Americans. You have been making that clear for years.

1 year ago 04/06/2025 10:51am EDT

re: Winthorpe53

Winthorpe53 wrote:
Kerr is an embarrassment.
One WC win and he’s been strutting around in his silly sunglasses, talking about himself in the third person and trying to cast himself as the main man.
He’s already faded. The Americans have got his number. Jakob will destroy him. He’ll never podium again.

His antics really are off putting. I would like to cheer for another European, but he makes it very difficult. Coiffed hair and green silk suits are a bit unpalatable for most.

1 year ago 04/06/2025 10:55am EDT

re: Both are good.

Both are good. wrote:
he's right where he needs to be; in an intense training block at altitude preparing to run 3:25 and 3:42 and obliterate his competition.

This is where I am at with Jakob. He truly wants to be known as the middle distance GOAT and he is making all plans around that. His records and doubling at two championships already this year. He is just building the portfolio. GST doesn't help that.

1 year ago 04/06/2025 10:55am EDT

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
This was actually not a bad performance for Kerr. OK DFL for the 1500 guys. However, from what we know his winter training was poor will illness and injury. Going into Millrose, he showed a video revealing he tanked his first workout due to a bad hip. His second workout he was better but was gassed as Henry Wynne gapped him as it went on. At Millrose, he DNS with a bug. So at most he’s had about 6 real weeks of training. So to have been in the mix not bad. However, the bigger issue may be he’s the lone top 1500 guy who didn’t have a great buildup/base. He might not get a whole lot better from here whereas Nuguse/Hocker/Jakob/Kessler/Laros all are primed to.

It would seem that the dietician he hired helped him lose weight at the cost of his long term health and durability.

1 year ago 04/06/2025 10:57am EDT

re: yesss

yesss wrote:
Yes, we know it means you dislike Americans. You have been making that clear for years.

Nah, I just know what 'God was on my side' means.

1 year ago 04/06/2025 12:24pm EDT

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
This was actually not a bad performance for Kerr. OK DFL for the 1500 guys. However, from what we know his winter training was poor will illness and injury. Going into Millrose, he showed a video revealing he tanked his first workout due to a bad hip. His second workout he was better but was gassed as Henry Wynne gapped him as it went on. At Millrose, he DNS with a bug. So at most he’s had about 6 real weeks of training. So to have been in the mix not bad. However, the bigger issue may be he’s the lone top 1500 guy who didn’t have a great buildup/base. He might not get a whole lot better from here whereas Nuguse/Hocker/Jakob/Kessler/Laros all are primed to.

I actually agree with your whole post except for maybe the last line... the other 1500m specialists have all had a great build up and it showed in their racing this Winter, but perhaps that means Kerr has the most room to improve in the next two months before Summer.

I don't think Nuguse and Hocker and Jakob will see a big jump up in fitness because they are already at world record fitness. Kerr on the other hand could race into shape with the GST series and be ready for the real outdoor season once the DL racing really starts in the Summer?

I am just trying to find a way to put the "rough Winter" in a potentially positive light:
Kerr might have had the shortest season once we reach Worlds in September (and this might benefit him relative to guys who have been racing all-out since December of 2024).

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1 year ago 04/06/2025 12:27pm EDT

re: And you know it

And you know it wrote:
Better to be a deer on ice than a coward hiding at home in Norway.

i’m sure we are all going to remember who won in kingston and forgetting who ran 3.45 indoors.

1 year ago 04/06/2025 12:28pm EDT

re: objectiveobserver

objectiveobserver wrote:
Ruxton Towers XC wrote:
Kerr sort of admitted it last year when he said he wanted to get paid without worrying about "running fast" (and it showed today).
p.s. Jakob has an Indoor Worlds gold medal and two world indoor records (1500 and mile). That is hard to do if you are "hiding."
TWO worlds indoor golds and 2 Euros.

Thanks for catching that! I wanted to go back and edit that but forgot. :)

Yes, TWO!

1 year ago 04/06/2025 12:32pm EDT

re: Newname

Newname wrote:
Kerr ran well until the final 50 meters or so.

I am not sure I agree with your logic on this one because "Kerr ran well until it mattered" is not a complement. This was such a slow race, literally any pro runner would have been in a good position at that point.

They were running at slower than 3:35 pace (until they started kicking). So to say that he was "right in the mix" until the last 100m is fine, but that is because until that point they were running 10 seconds slower than Jakob's pace.

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1 year ago 04/06/2025 12:42pm EDT

re: Arhus

Arhus wrote:
Winthorpe53 wrote:
Kerr is an embarrassment.
One WC win and he’s been strutting around in his silly sunglasses, talking about himself in the third person and trying to cast himself as the main man.
He’s already faded. The Americans have got his number. Jakob will destroy him. He’ll never podium again.
His antics really are off putting. I would like to cheer for another European, but he makes it very difficult. Coiffed hair and green silk suits are a bit unpalatable for most.

I lump him in with the Americans. He came through the NCAA system, is based in the US, has the arrogance of a stereotypical American, doesn't run European championships because he thinks those are beneath him.

1 year ago 04/06/2025 12:53pm EDT

re: And you know it

And you know it wrote:
Ruxton Towers XC wrote:
Kerr sort of admitted it last year when he said he wanted to get paid without worrying about "running fast" (and it showed today).
p.s. Jakob has an Indoor Worlds gold medal and two world indoor records (1500 and mile). That is hard to do if you are "hiding."
Jakob was hiding today. Neil Gourley ran world indoors with Jakob, and he raced the big dogs today in Kingston.

Yeah no. Jakob was at home polishing and admiring his 2 World Indoor Championship gold medals which he just won. An event which all of his “competition” was too scared to show up to contest against him because they knew they had no chance in hell of beating him.

1 year ago 04/06/2025 1:25pm EDT

re: Reddy!

Reddy! wrote:
And you know it wrote:
Jakob was hiding today. Neil Gourley ran world indoors with Jakob, and he raced the big dogs today in Kingston.
No disrespect to Gourley, but he is a journey man middle distance runner compared with Jakob, and the GST cash would make a difference to his annual income. Whereas it is chump change for Jakob.

If Gourley improves a bit more he has a shot for the win.

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