We all know the record is still rightfully his. I bet nico is just rolling his eyes at people saying kipboogi broke his record. Next thing you know kiplimo or kipchoge are going to enroll at OU or OSU and "break the record" again.
We see right through you. “They’ll never think I’m the guy that posts homophobic things and Nico under unregistered accounts if I post something positive about him”. You get banned-> you then turn into Nico spammer
Lmk when one of these guys so much as matches the number of titles that Nico Young has. Why is the record rightfully Nico’s? He’s no longer the fastest collegiate ever at 10k.
The fact that you even have to ask this question shows the you are part of the problem. We know very little about Ishmael and what we do know about him is everything that the NCAA used to take a stand against.
Anyone is free to answer my question. Maybe I am part of the problem, but I don't know, I've only come into the sport in the last few years as NCAA athletes have progressively gotten more and more rights, and it's a pretty common sentiment among people my age that it's a good thing that college athletes can make money off the billion dollar industry that's built off of them (tbf I'm in college).
Or is it that he's Kenyan and already one of the best U20 runners in the world? I hope it's not breaking news to you that college kids sit next to international students on academic scholarship in literally every class every day. I'll happily support drug testing the top NCAA athletes if that fixes the complaining about Kenyan imports, but my biggest issue is that importing Kenyan runners doesn't seem to be much better than importing any other international students. Hell, a bunch of home grown Mormons beat the imported Kenyan squad at NCAA XC this year, and an American won for the 2nd time. At NCAA outdoors, Americans won the 800/1500/5k, and the only reason they didn't win the 10k is because Nico Young didn't run it. At NCAA indoors, Americans won the mile/3k/DMR, and a Canadian won the 800. What do we know about Ishmael that is everything the NCAA used to take a stand against? How different was he from Henry Rono (who broke the 10k WR in college)?
Maybe it's because I'm newer to the sport and wasn't traumatized like some people were over the stranglehold Cheserek had on the NCAA, but I really don't see why people are upset over Kenyan imports who MAYBE win 1 title or set 1 CR, but they never bring up Josh Kerr (British, NCAA champ, NCAA record, world champ), or Geordie Beamish (Kiwi, NCAA champ, world indoor champ). Those are guys who were international imports that stole roster spots from US kids, titles from US kids, records from US kids, and were so talented that they became literal world champions. If you want all international kids banned from NCAA sports, then make that argument. If you just distrust Kenyans doping, then drug test them. If you don't want kids to make money in the NCAA, then make that argument. But at least make an argument instead of just saying it's bad.
The number of non-American runners in NCAA who have won titles is very very long and includes many white athletes: Patrick Tiernan, Justyn Knight (not white but Canadien so not given as much disrespect as African-born athletes), Charles Hicks, Ky Robinson, Morgan McDonald, etc etc
they never bring up Josh Kerr (British, NCAA champ, NCAA record, world champ), or Geordie Beamish (Kiwi, NCAA champ, world indoor champ). Those are guys who were international imports that stole roster spots from US kids, titles from US kids, records from US kids, and were so talented that they became literal world champions. If you want all international kids banned from NCAA sports, then make that argument. If you just distrust Kenyans doping, then drug test them. If you don't want kids to make money in the NCAA, then make that argument. But at least make an argument instead of just saying it's bad.
Great post.
I never heard this derision directed to Nick Willis, Kevin Sullivan, or Cam Levins, either.
USA distance, and American collegiates have never been in a better place. The issue isn't foreigners taking roster spots, it's the proposed roster limits. Blanks, Young, Wolfe, Mantz, Strand and Martin are all better athletes because the NCAA is so talented and diverse.
This anti-African thinking is left over from a time when the best Americans couldn't hang with the Kenyan C team. On the track, this is no longer the case. USA distance is a powerhouse, the Marathon is the only event we haven't closed the gap in yet.
Ratification is a separate process, but at this time it looks like the mark is going to stand because it was ran by an eligible college athlete on American soil during outdoor season.
they never bring up Josh Kerr (British, NCAA champ, NCAA record, world champ), or Geordie Beamish (Kiwi, NCAA champ, world indoor champ). Those are guys who were international imports that stole roster spots from US kids, titles from US kids, records from US kids, and were so talented that they became literal world champions. If you want all international kids banned from NCAA sports, then make that argument. If you just distrust Kenyans doping, then drug test them. If you don't want kids to make money in the NCAA, then make that argument. But at least make an argument instead of just saying it's bad.
Great post.
I never heard this derision directed to Nick Willis, Kevin Sullivan, or Cam Levins, either.
Nor Jess Hull.
Golly, I wonder what the difference is.
This race-baiting is so tiring. No one is this thread has advocated for banning black people from the NCAA. You and your friend above just don't want to debate this issue like adults on its actual merits, so instead resort to baseless insinuations of racism.
Lets look through some of your names:
Nick Willis: Came to Michigan at 19, his country (New Zealand) currently has 1 banned distance athlete (Robertson)
Kevin Sullivan: Came to Michigan at 19, his country (Canada) currently has no banned distance athletes
Cam Levins: Came to Southern Utah at 19, same nationality as Sullivan
Jess Hull: Came to Oregon at 18, her country (Australia) has no current banned distance athletes
Now lets look at Kenya: ONE HUNDRED AND NINETEEN currently banned athletes. You can scroll through the list yourself.
Do you notice a difference here? And no, I'm not talking about their skin color. This is not even mentioning the fact that many of these guys are ridiculously old, such as LSU and New Mexico with their 28 year old freshman.
In addition, (if there even needs to be an addition), these Kenyans are not bona-fide student athletes. These guys were being flown to European pro races before they got here, and there is no school being done. Dave Smith said himself that his athlete has "never used a computer" and we all saw the interview the New Mexico athlete unable to speak English. So how exactly is someone who can't speak English or use a computer getting a degree? Answer, they are not. This is a scam upon the American taxpayer that needs to end now.
This race-baiting is so tiring. No one is this thread has advocated for banning black people from the NCAA. You and your friend above just don't want to debate this issue like adults on its actual merits, so instead resort to baseless insinuations of racism.
Lets look through some of your names:
Nick Willis: Came to Michigan at 19, his country (New Zealand) currently has 1 banned distance athlete (Robertson)
Kevin Sullivan: Came to Michigan at 19, his country (Canada) currently has no banned distance athletes
Cam Levins: Came to Southern Utah at 19, same nationality as Sullivan
Jess Hull: Came to Oregon at 18, her country (Australia) has no current banned distance athletes
Now lets look at Kenya: ONE HUNDRED AND NINETEEN currently banned athletes. You can scroll through the list yourself.
Do you notice a difference here? And no, I'm not talking about their skin color. This is not even mentioning the fact that many of these guys are ridiculously old, such as LSU and New Mexico with their 28 year old freshman.
In addition, (if there even needs to be an addition), these Kenyans are not bona-fide student athletes. These guys were being flown to European pro races before they got here, and there is no school being done. Dave Smith said himself that his athlete has "never used a computer" and we all saw the interview the New Mexico athlete unable to speak English. So how exactly is someone who can't speak English or use a computer getting a degree? Answer, they are not. This is a scam upon the American taxpayer that needs to end now.
You can’t accuse someone of baseless insinuations when you use very thin justification to say basically every Kenyan athlete isn’t doing any academics. Or that they’re all doing drugs. Quite a few Americans have drug violations. Many more might if they were tested at the rate Kenyans are (consider the number of whereabouts failures on that list and college-aged athletes from anywhere).
Is there a track record of former NCAA Kenyans testing positive for drugs? I know we have 2 whereabouts cases of late and a former Florida athlete. There've been many former American ncaa athletes with drug bans historically.
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This race-baiting is so tiring. No one is this thread has advocated for banning black people from the NCAA. You and your friend above just don't want to debate this issue like adults on its actual merits, so instead resort to baseless insinuations of racism.
Lets look through some of your names:
Nick Willis: Came to Michigan at 19, his country (New Zealand) currently has 1 banned distance athlete (Robertson)
Kevin Sullivan: Came to Michigan at 19, his country (Canada) currently has no banned distance athletes
Cam Levins: Came to Southern Utah at 19, same nationality as Sullivan
Jess Hull: Came to Oregon at 18, her country (Australia) has no current banned distance athletes
Now lets look at Kenya: ONE HUNDRED AND NINETEEN currently banned athletes. You can scroll through the list yourself.
Do you notice a difference here? And no, I'm not talking about their skin color. This is not even mentioning the fact that many of these guys are ridiculously old, such as LSU and New Mexico with their 28 year old freshman.
In addition, (if there even needs to be an addition), these Kenyans are not bona-fide student athletes. These guys were being flown to European pro races before they got here, and there is no school being done. Dave Smith said himself that his athlete has "never used a computer" and we all saw the interview the New Mexico athlete unable to speak English. So how exactly is someone who can't speak English or use a computer getting a degree? Answer, they are not. This is a scam upon the American taxpayer that needs to end now.
You can’t accuse someone of baseless insinuations when you use very thin justification to say basically every Kenyan athlete isn’t doing any academics. Or that they’re all doing drugs. Quite a few Americans have drug violations. Many more might if they were tested at the rate Kenyans are (consider the number of whereabouts failures on that list and college-aged athletes from anywhere).
Is there a track record of former NCAA Kenyans testing positive for drugs? I know we have 2 whereabouts cases of late and a former Florida athlete. There've been many former American ncaa athletes with drug bans historically.
1. If you are worried about Kenyans cheating, I can assure you that all the good ones in the NCAA are getting tested...and often.
2. Who is a 28 year old freshman at New Mexico?
It does genuinely seem like you are against Africans dominating the sport, which they do not. I'm sure New Mexico would love to have good Americans as well but it's not exactly a destination that they are flockign to. Should the coach not recruit the best kids he can get?