No. I am honest. And I am right. Its pro running. Fine. But people trumpeting it is pathetic. NB Boston is a dirty team. Major Bowerman vibe. Tell what I am missing here.
No. I am honest. And I am right. Its pro running. Fine. But people trumpeting it is pathetic. NB Boston is a dirty team. Major Bowerman vibe. Tell what I am missing here.
I get the vibe of taking undertrained, under-the-radar high schoolers who go to mid-major running programs (unh, umass, binghamton) and then giving them way more resources while seriously upping the training and going to altitude. Valby is a departure but MacKay, ESP, MacLean all fit that description, and now run/cross train twice as much as in college under Coogan.
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Oh. "Undertrained." Well then. Like Houlihan. Right? Any other clichés? At least it is better than "multisport athlete." Do people even believe this nonsense? Its fine. Its pro running. I would do the same thing. The Bowerman mistake is that they went overboard to the point where you could not miss it and rub it in people's faces. Getting hard to miss the current iteration. But if the bed time story about undertrained athletes who are now finally blossoming makes you happy, ok. Loll.
No. I am honest. And I am right. Its pro running. Fine. But people trumpeting it is pathetic. NB Boston is a dirty team. Major Bowerman vibe. Tell what I am missing here.
I get the vibe of taking undertrained, under-the-radar high schoolers who go to mid-major running programs (unh, umass, binghamton) and then giving them way more resources while seriously upping the training and going to altitude. Valby is a departure but MacKay, ESP, MacLean all fit that description, and now run/cross train twice as much as in college under Coogan.
Coogan is a magician.
It actually looks a more little suss when you point it out like that. They all fit the same pattern. They also train at sea level for the most part, not altitude.
Mackay is the most suss of the three, though. She came out of nowhere after being very mediocre.
Oh. "Undertrained." Well then. Like Houlihan. Right? Any other clichés? At least it is better than "multisport athlete." Do people even believe this nonsense? Its fine. Its pro running. I would do the same thing. The Bowerman mistake is that they went overboard to the point where you could not miss it and rub it in people's faces. Getting hard to miss the current iteration. But if the bed time story about undertrained athletes who are now finally blossoming makes you happy, ok. Loll.
Shelby is not comparable. She went to a big program and was a phenom in Iowa from a family in runners. Her training at Arizona State started with a modest 30mpw but by senior year she ran 60mpw which is lower than her BTC level of 80mpw but more than NB Boston women who were doing 45ish.
Letsrun has become a cesspit. Can’t have one thread without the same tired crap. I could pre-write a thread for the next good race that happens. Heather was undertrained in HS and College. Towards the end of college became really good and has gradually and steadily improved since.
Consider that “Shelbo800” went from being an 800 runner to a world beater at 5k. Heather isn’t even an 800 focused runner and you don’t see her ripping American record 5ks or anything like it. It’s just a little bit different and yes I know letsrun is 98% trolls and moderately autistic ex high school varsity XC 7th runners.
Coogan is referring to Regina Jacobs. Previous record holder of the Womans indoor 1500m record; 3:59.98
Regina was ultimately Popped in 2003 in the Balco scandal for a type of steroid, THG. What is crazy is Regina set that American record at the age of 39. Even medaled at world indoor champs that year. Drugs really do help I guess!
He did, and Nikki Hiltz just replied, and said it was the first thing she thought of when she saw the time. They’re all gonna make Shelby uncomfortable
Let me be clear again: you cannot compete successfully as a pro without doping. So as long as US pros do not go full Houlihan, I wont raise a fuss. I do not expect them to compete clean. But that does not mean we have to be stupid and promote fantasies. McKay's best 5000m in college with the covid red shirt was 15:42. Her best 3000m, at good old BU, was 8:54. Her best 1500m, 4:11. But suddenly she goes to NB Boston and a couple of years later can run 14:45 and compete for Olympic spots at 1500m? Please. We all know exactly what is going on here, and it certainly isn't bc she was undertrained or has the latent late bloomer gene you yahoos invented to explain this nonsense. It is bc now she is taking the chemistry. That is the bane of this sport. Give a college 15:42 runner epo and testosterone and they can run 14:45. Give a college 4:11 runner the same and they can run sub-4.
Which is again par for the course. But I am warning NB Boston and their coach they are repeating the Bowerman mistake of making it way too blatant.
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You are digging and digging desperately. I hear Binghamton does not even have a track or a gym or a coach? Lolll. And you are still peddling Houlihan's nonsense. You think she was clean! Lollllll! Just say it. Another utter yahoo. It is embarrassing.
You are digging and digging desperately. I hear Binghamton does not even have a track or a gym or a coach? Lolll. And you are still peddling Houlihan's nonsense. You think she was clean! Lollllll! Just say it. Another utter yahoo. It is embarrassing.
I recall this board went big on calling Houlihan undertrained. You just repeatedl some of the same bs about her alleged miles per week. It is the go to excuse. But Occam's razor. Not complicated.
I recall this board went big on calling Houlihan undertrained. You just repeatedl some of the same bs about her alleged miles per week. It is the go to excuse. But Occam's razor. Not complicated.
60mpw for a 1500m runner is not really undertrained. I said most NB Boston ran more like 45mpw which is somewhat undertrained.
Sure. Meanwhile Binghamton is SUNY's charter campus, and McKay competed in everything, including XC. Spare us the miles per week fantasy. And you guys were just as wrong about Houlihan's mpw also. Sorry but undertrained is a very lame, dishonest and played out excuse which was designed to try explain pro performance spikes like the one we are discussing. We all know the real reason, even the diehard apologists.