We changed the title as the origional title had a typo and made no sense. It was titled, "Strand EMBARRASSES Matein". Here are the results for the race: https://flashresults.com/2025_...
Why is this getting so many downvotes? Kessler ran 7:35 tying up at the end. Strand ran 7:30 with a monster close. I agree that Strand would likely beat Kessler in the 3 and probably the 5 as well. Why do people think otherwise?
ya im kind of blown away by the though process here, along with all the people who would vote up a comment saying Kessler might be able to win the NCAA triple.
This place is usually a little smarter than that.
The 7:38 that Kessler won last week, BY THE SKIN OF HIS TEETH, was closed almost a full second slower than Strand's 7:30. 54.4 to 55.3
And i wasn't rude about it. I said Kessler PROBABLY wouldn't. that's based on numbers that are out there in the world. Im not even close to saying he CAN'T beat him.
ya im kind of blown away by the though process here, along with all the people who would vote up a comment saying Kessler might be able to win the NCAA triple.
This place is usually a little smarter than that.
The 7:38 that Kessler won last week, BY THE SKIN OF HIS TEETH, was closed almost a full second slower than Strand's 7:30. 54.4 to 55.3
And i wasn't rude about it. I said Kessler PROBABLY wouldn't. that's based on numbers that are out there in the world. Im not even close to saying he CAN'T beat him.
Kessler beat a 7:30 guy winning that race .
He didn't beat a guy who ran 7:30 with a 54 close. He beat a guy who closed with a 58.
He didn't beat a guy who ran 7:30 with a 54 close. He beat a guy who closed with a 58.
Strand ran 7:30 in early Dec off CC training. This is early March, Hobbs just won the USATF double last week in a racing masterclass. That’s why you’re getting downvotes.
ya im kind of blown away by the though process here, along with all the people who would vote up a comment saying Kessler might be able to win the NCAA triple.
This place is usually a little smarter than that.
The 7:38 that Kessler won last week, BY THE SKIN OF HIS TEETH, was closed almost a full second slower than Strand's 7:30. 54.4 to 55.3
And i wasn't rude about it. I said Kessler PROBABLY wouldn't. that's based on numbers that are out there in the world. Im not even close to saying he CAN'T beat him.
Kessler beat a 7:30 guy winning that race .
So? He beat a 7:30 guy in a 7:38 race. In a 7:38 race I would also take Strand over Jacobs. I’d expect Strand to close that race in 53 based on his 54 close to win a 7:30 race.
So? He beat a 7:30 guy in a 7:38 race. In a 7:38 race I would also take Strand over Jacobs. I’d expect Strand to close that race in 53 based on his 54 close to win a 7:30 race.
I would agree, but it doesn't always if ever work like that. The reason Wolfe and Strand could close in I think? a last 2:22 last 1K, is their fractions were more moderate up front for a 7:30 like results
He didn't beat a guy who ran 7:30 with a 54 close. He beat a guy who closed with a 58.
Strand ran 7:30 in early Dec off CC training. This is early March, Hobbs just won the USATF double last week in a racing masterclass. That’s why you’re getting downvotes.
Oh so you think Strand is less prepared for a distance he is actually training for now as compared to December. gotcha!
What does HObbs winning a 3000 that was objectively a lesser performance than strand's have to do with anything. And even more so, what does his winning a tactical 1500 against SAM PRAKEL the next day have to do with anything.
So? He beat a 7:30 guy in a 7:38 race. In a 7:38 race I would also take Strand over Jacobs. I’d expect Strand to close that race in 53 based on his 54 close to win a 7:30 race.
I would agree, but it doesn't always if ever work like that. The reason Wolfe and Strand could close in I think? a last 2:22 last 1K, is their fractions were more moderate up front for a 7:30 like results
Nobody ever said it was 100% that Strand wins the race. But on paper, he wins. On paper, Hobbs has less than a 1% chance of winning an NCAA triple against the very high quality fields that are out there right now.
I would agree, but it doesn't always if ever work like that. The reason Wolfe and Strand could close in I think? a last 2:22 last 1K, is their fractions were more moderate up front for a 7:30 like results
Nobody ever said it was 100% that Strand wins the race. But on paper, he wins. On paper, Hobbs has less than a 1% chance of winning an NCAA triple against the very high quality fields that are out there right now.
Oh, I totally agree with that, no way, not with prelims etc. I would say this , If you were to ask those involved with Hobbs from the beginning, they would have pegged him as more a 15-mile-3K up to 5K later..than as an elite 800M runner, which he really still is not really (elite that is), he looks really good for our country, and Hoey probably pushes him back a spot. Hobbs was an excellent undefeated CoVid era XC HS runner and ran 8:39 two mile in his only real effort at that distance, crushing folks with a 25.0 second to last 220. His profile would have tended to track him up the line rather than down,(two relay splits under 1:50, one was an electric 1:47.6 if you have never seen it) and I still think it will. Right now off his training Kessler is a real strong 800M runner and I think fastest PR at 800M of the top 5-7 in the Olympic Final and yeah that is helpful, when you can summon that from strength. But only a nice luxury if you cannot.
Kessler would be a College Senior , if you are comparing them , if in this NCAA's? He would be the clear favorite at 800 if he ran that and or the mile depending. And Right now, in a tactical 3K which most primarily are.. most likely a podium pick at worse. But certainly not tripling.
OH! and let's not forget about the guy who Strand beat in this 3000. Parker wolfe. better than either of the guys Hobbs beat.
This is what Parker wolfe did in what was the most important race of the year for many people in this field:
Grant FISHER - NIKE - 13:08.85 (Q) Abdihamid NUR - NIKE - 13:09.01 (Q) Parker WOLFE - North Carolina - 13:10.75 (Q) Graham BLANKS - New Balance - 13:12.61 Dylan JACOBS - On - 13:17.26 Sean McGORTY - NIKE/Bowerman TC - 13:18.27 Cole HOCKER - NIKE - 13:20.99 Ahmed MUHUMED - HOKA NAZ Elite - 13:29.23 Woody KINCAID - NIKE - 13:31.40 Olin HAKCER - HOKA NAZ Elite - 13:32.10 Morgan BEADLESCOMB - adidas - 13:37.69 Cooper TEARE - NIKE - 13:42.50 Willy FINK - Under Armour - 13:43.32 Erin van der ELS - ZAP Endurance - 13:50.66 Kasey KNEVELBAARD - Under Armour - 13:51.29 Sam PRAKEL - adidas - 14:17.87
Let’s pump the brakes on Strand until we see how he performs when it counts.
Strand ran 3:35 last April and then severely underperformed at NCAAs.
Will be interesting to see what type of shape Green is in as he closed his 3:32.2 last summer in 53x. Green has also been over-performer in big meets winning NCAAs as a sophomore.
So? He beat a 7:30 guy in a 7:38 race. In a 7:38 race I would also take Strand over Jacobs. I’d expect Strand to close that race in 53 based on his 54 close to win a 7:30 race.
I would agree, but it doesn't always if ever work like that. The reason Wolfe and Strand could close in I think? a last 2:22 last 1K, is their fractions were more moderate up front for a 7:30 like results
Wolfe and Strand hit 2k in 5:04 and closed in 2:25 high/2:26 with a 54 last 400.
Jacobs and Kessler hit 2k in 5:11 and closed in 2:26high/2:27 with a 55 last 400.
This isn’t even a question. Strand and Wolfe hit faster fractions and closed a second faster over the last 400/k
Nobody “embarrassed” anyone. One really good guy beat another really good guy that lead the whole time. Your title reads like a Fox News headline. Show some class
Strand did not make his move until the last 150 meters as he sat on him while Gary did the leading from 2800 on and only won by four seconds. That is definitely not embarrassing
Strand is better than Gary Martin right now. Martin has run:
7:36 3K
3:54.x getting beat by Langon and Murphy at Penn
3:48.x Mile
3:50.x anchor on 9:14 DMR
13:30 5K
Strand ran the faster mile,3:48.x lower the faster DMR anchor at 3:49.x faster 3K by almost 6 secs and now 4 in a PR 13:26
In any other year Martin would be performer of the year so far in MD/Dist. But he is not, Strand is. The range for both from Mile to 5K are great. I wonder if Rocky Hansen will run from the front in the mid 7:30's in 3K at ACC. To go with his wild DMR winning anchor and 13:14 from the front 5K?
One fair knock on Martin is he hasn’t won an individual race on the season. That’s why even though he’s got that fast mile and a H2H win at 3K vs Nathan Green, I’d say Green has the better season on record among 1500/mile guys now that he won a high-level mile at UW and made Spencer/Liking look like amateurs in a conference 3K. Yes softer competition than Martin. If Gary somehow wins the 3K at ACCs he leapfrogs back but I can’t see him beating Strand or Hansen.
Kessler struggled a bit with his 7:35, then he ran 3:46.9 and outkicked a 7:30 guy (Jacobs) to win U.S. Indoors, then completed the double. Strand would be a handful for him at 3k, no doubt, and surely has the edge this year, but Kessler still has the superior mile time and a far superior 800m time, so don't count him out. 3k is not his event but he's getting better at it.
Strand is better than Gary Martin right now. Martin has run:
7:36 3K
3:54.x getting beat by Langon and Murphy at Penn
3:48.x Mile
3:50.x anchor on 9:14 DMR
13:30 5K
Strand ran the faster mile,3:48.x lower the faster DMR anchor at 3:49.x faster 3K by almost 6 secs and now 4 in a PR 13:26
In any other year Martin would be performer of the year so far in MD/Dist. But he is not, Strand is. The range for both from Mile to 5K are great. I wonder if Rocky Hansen will run from the front in the mid 7:30's in 3K at ACC. To go with his wild DMR winning anchor and 13:14 from the front 5K?
One fair knock on Martin is he hasn’t won an individual race on the season. That’s why even though he’s got that fast mile and a H2H win at 3K vs Nathan Green, I’d say Green has the better season on record among 1500/mile guys now that he won a high-level mile at UW and made Spencer/Liking look like amateurs in a conference 3K. Yes softer competition than Martin. If Gary somehow wins the 3K at ACCs he leapfrogs back but I can’t see him beating Strand or Hansen.
Well, that is true, but Liking in your example for Greene is not the same guy right now at a long shot. Gary Martin appears to be this guy , who can hang onto really solid fractions , he did finish very well at Millrose, where I thought he would really struggle. But does not have shiftability really, he is a gatherer type, not a two step speed closer type. I also do not see him beating a fresh Rocky Hansen, but that puts him a majority of the U.S. right now, not the minority. I like and root for Martin almost all the time, he has run a lot of quality stuff as a young runner.
Nobody “embarrassed” anyone. One really good guy beat another really good guy that lead the whole time. Your title reads like a Fox News headline. Show some class
Just out of curiosity, did you vote for Kamala?
Let’s hope he voted for Kamala. Anyone who voted for this clown show Trump presidency should walk around with in shame.
Parker Wolfe and Rocky Hansen out of the 3k today. Hansen had stomach bug and not sure with Wolfe. Maybe just resting him. So it’s a strand vs Martin throw down.
Nobody “embarrassed” anyone. One really good guy beat another really good guy that lead the whole time. Your title reads like a Fox News headline. Show some class
The mistake here is thinking the Let’s Run crowd will take a Fox News comparison as anything but a compliment.