Hoey had to dig deep to beat Grant Fisher in a 1500.
The idea that Jakob would have any trouble with him in a 1500 is laughable.
Since 2000, can someone please list the number of guys - non dopers - who were world class at both 800 and 1500? Ramzi obviously doesn't count.
Wanyonyi might have the potential as he wiped the floor of Kessler in a road mile last year but my point is- most guys aren't world class at the 2 events.
Makhloufi comes to mind, but same category as Ramzi. Kessler himself may count if he improves in the 800 this year (1:42 mid and making the final would be fantastic even if he only gets say 6th).
Wightman is another. Marcin Lewandowski made an Olympic final in the 800 in 2016 and won a world’s bronze in the 1500 in 2019. It’s not super common, but there are some.
the Kenya gold medal guy 800 on the WR, it does not figure physiologically that he can do a great mile but he can. this is the blazing red flag.
800 guys speed translates with aerobic ability, most guys are several seconds in debt come bell lap, which is why the aerobic guy with good speed always takes out the speed deamon in debt.
EPO changes all those basics. 200 m extends to 400, and 400 to 800, and a 1k guy can now be supercharged for the mile, etc. etc
Hoey had to dig deep to beat Grant Fisher in a 1500.
The idea that Jakob would have any trouble with him in a 1500 is laughable.
Since 2000, can someone please list the number of guys - non dopers - who were world class at both 800 and 1500? Ramzi obviously doesn't count.
Wanyonyi might have the potential as he wiped the floor of Kessler in a road mile last year but my point is- most guys aren't world class at the 2 events.
Get back to us when Hoey has run sub-3:30 a couple times.
I also don't think Hoey is a top candidate, but this is not much of an argument. The first time Cole Hocker ran sub 3:30 he won gold at the Olympics.
There's no way you saw his race at the trials where he ran 3:30 with a 52 last lap (39 last 300) and thought he couldn't go sub 3:30. Nick Willis even said that race was worth 3:28
The whole "since 2000" thing is totally arbitrary. Ramzi, Makhloufi, Kiprop, Cheruiyot, Webb, Baala, Wightman and more were medal caliber 1500m runners who ran 1:42-43 but most milers and 800 runners have not really tried their off event, especially not in Rudisha's era. But those guys in the 1980s ran elite 800s and miles regularly and would be equally competitive today with today's equipment, tracks, and gels. Coe ran 1:41.7/3:47.33, Cram ran 1:42.88/3:29, Elliott 1:43/3:31, Aouita 1:44/3:29. As for Hoey, he has much more mile potential than the Fisher race made it seem. He ran 3:52 early on to win and had he been in that Wanamaker mile, he would have run 3:47-48. His altitude work that converts to 1500/mile success has only just begun this winter, stuff like 25x400 in low to mid 70s on short rest, and the 3x5x300 hills, and it has already paid off with 1:43/2:14 indoors. He is very much looking like a 1:41 guy outdoors. 3:28 would not surprise me in the least if he does a Monaco style race. That doesn't mean he'd be ready to challenge for the win this year but next year it might happen.
Jake Wightman had the 5th fastest 800 (1:43.65) in the world the same year he won the 1500 World Champs in 2022! I’m pretty confident he can run 1:42 if he focused on it. Unless you are also accusing him of doping Rojo!
Josh would prob max out at 3:29 high at the moment (in a Monaco type race), so no threat to Jakob or any of the top 5-6 at the Olympics right now. But we will continue to work on getting him better over the 1500.
Jake Wightman had the 5th fastest 800 (1:43.65) in the world the same year he won the 1500 World Champs in 2022! I’m pretty confident he can run 1:42 if he focused on it. Unless you are also accusing him of doping Rojo!
Josh would prob max out at 3:29 high at the moment (in a Monaco type race), so no threat to Jakob or any of the top 5-6 at the Olympics right now. But we will continue to work on getting him better over the 1500.
Jake Wightman had the 5th fastest 800 (1:43.65) in the world the same year he won the 1500 World Champs in 2022! I’m pretty confident he can run 1:42 if he focused on it. Unless you are also accusing him of doping Rojo!
Josh would prob max out at 3:29 high at the moment (in a Monaco type race), so no threat to Jakob or any of the top 5-6 at the Olympics right now. But we will continue to work on getting him better over the 1500.
JR
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Not so fast. That's assuming that the final is run sub 3:30. Sure that's how it's been the last like 4 or so years, but I don't think that's a guarantee every year. With Jakob there, yeah of course it's likely to be very fast, but that hasn't worked for him the last three years. If he changes his strategy, it could get a bit tactical. And then someone with 1:42 ability could catch lightning in a bottle. Hockey, Kerr, Kessler, Wightman...they're not gonna press the pace if Jakob doesn't. It wouldn't benefit them, they'd all rather have it tactical. I'll give you Nuguse though - he might be the one to go to the front and make it honest if Jakob decides to hang back.
Jake Wightman had the 5th fastest 800 (1:43.65) in the world the same year he won the 1500 World Champs in 2022! I’m pretty confident he can run 1:42 if he focused on it. Unless you are also accusing him of doping Rojo!
Josh would prob max out at 3:29 high at the moment (in a Monaco type race), so no threat to Jakob or any of the top 5-6 at the Olympics right now. But we will continue to work on getting him better over the 1500.
JR
To be fair, that was probably THE peak of Wightman. I don’t feel like we really should be giving him a 1:42. He was fairly devoted to the 800 that year and ran it at European Champs (2nd) and two Diamond Leagues (1st and 3rd). He dipped under 2:14 in the 1,000 as well. But to this idea you can’t be amazing at both - of course you can. Wanyonyi could run something stupid in the 1500. He just smoked both Cheruiyots in a 6 minute 2K XC race in base training.
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