TWO HIGHSCHOOLERS FROM THE SAME SCHOOL GO SUB 4 IN THE SAME RACE

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1 year ago 02/22/2025 3:26am EST

re: CoachB

CoachB wrote:
Bicarbonate loading has been around a loooong time. I have an ex phys textbook from the mid 90s with a section on it.
I think one thing that people are overlooking is that kids are just training harder / better these days.

At this point, I believe this issue has been explained to you in multiple threads, so I'm going to have to categorize you as acting/speaking in bad faith, with some agenda now.

Yeah, baking soda goes back to at least the 90s, but the current delivery methods make it available to your body in way that multiples the potency and removes the digestive downsides that risked missing a race, because of inability to get off the toilet.

1 year ago 02/22/2025 7:58am EST

re: u might be a moran

u might be a moran wrote:
Ruxton Towers XC wrote:
I love what they did and don't get me wrong, they are amazing runners regardless of what track they are on. I am not a hater.
But it makes me wish we could pay an elite "control group" of 3:59 milers to run all-out miles in pairs of Zoom Kennedys on a normal 1990s style track with no bi-carb.
I assume the people from today will still be a lot faster due to their improved training and career length (they all started in 6th grade), etc. but how much better would they be?
If you offered everyone who broke 3:59 in the mile this year $10,000 to come within two seconds of their times, do you think they could do it using the old tech?
you have to narrow an understanding of how super hoes are impacting performances. Most of the benefit comes in training in the shoes, racing in them is a bonus.

Regarding the training in shoes, do any coaches here have fewer issues with shin splints and other issues because of the shoes? Years ago, at the beginning of the season, any of the three here in the northeast, a few kids would experience these issues. I haven't really seen that the last few years.

1 year ago 02/22/2025 8:50am EST

re: u might be a moran

u might be a moran wrote:
Ruxton Towers XC wrote:
I love what they did and don't get me wrong, they are amazing runners regardless of what track they are on. I am not a hater.
But it makes me wish we could pay an elite "control group" of 3:59 milers to run all-out miles in pairs of Zoom Kennedys on a normal 1990s style track with no bi-carb.
I assume the people from today will still be a lot faster due to their improved training and career length (they all started in 6th grade), etc. but how much better would they be?
If you offered everyone who broke 3:59 in the mile this year $10,000 to come within two seconds of their times, do you think they could do it using the old tech?
you have to narrow an understanding of how super hoes are impacting performances. Most of the benefit comes in training in the shoes, racing in them is a bonus.

That’s interesting. Gault said something similar. Can you explain how it works? Do you wear different shoes for tempo, speed (40-150) and speed endurance (200-600)? I’m trying to figure out the best way. How often do you use spikes and are there any specific ones you recommend.

How Many Times You Need It Explained? wrote:
CoachB wrote:
Bicarbonate loading has been around a loooong time. I have an ex phys textbook from the mid 90s with a section on it.
I think one thing that people are overlooking is that kids are just training harder / better these days.
At this point, I believe this issue has been explained to you in multiple threads, so I'm going to have to categorize you as acting/speaking in bad faith, with some agenda now.
Yeah, baking soda goes back to at least the 90s, but the current delivery methods make it available to your body in way that multiples the potency and removes the digestive downsides that risked missing a race, because of inability to get off the toilet.

To my memory, I’ve brought it up once before yesterday. I don’t remember anyone explaining it to me.

1 year ago 02/22/2025 9:59am EST

re: Crazy stuff

Crazy stuff wrote:
Huangdi wrote:
this deserves a black page. imagine telling someone 20 years ago that 3 high schoolers would break 4 on the same day, 2 of them under the old national record, and 2 of them being from the same school
i mean wtf lol
Or something like Lex/Leo/Colin/Aaron all going sub-4 in 2022

Only Colin did. I believe the next year only Leo ran the 1500 in a sub 4 equivalent.

1 year ago 02/22/2025 10:10am EST

re: 2020420

Are they both going to run for Washington?

1 year ago 02/22/2025 12:08pm EST

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It's a small town. They all have the same dad.

How Many Times You Need It Explained? wrote:
CoachB wrote:
Bicarbonate loading has been around a loooong time. I have an ex phys textbook from the mid 90s with a section on it.
I think one thing that people are overlooking is that kids are just training harder / better these days.
At this point, I believe this issue has been explained to you in multiple threads, so I'm going to have to categorize you as acting/speaking in bad faith, with some agenda now.
Yeah, baking soda goes back to at least the 90s, but the current delivery methods make it available to your body in way that multiples the potency and removes the digestive downsides that risked missing a race, because of inability to get off the toilet.

Does someone need to explain to you that multiple elite runners have run just as fast without bi-carb as they have with bi-carb?

And other elite runners, who don't used bi-carb have run as fast as The elite runners who are always using bi-carb?

1 year ago 02/22/2025 3:22pm EST

re: 2020420

With the new drugs ai will make I won’t be surprised that by 2050 there will be 8th here adres running sub 4.

MARK MY WORDS- by 2051 there will be at least one 8th grader in the US breaking 4:00 in the full mile.

It will be indoctrinated into the kids drugs arnt a big deal and by then they can have their personal ai agents order and administer so there’s no stopping this. It’s just the logical end of capitalism…sub 4 8th graders

and well Accelerationism.

Remember I said it first ;)

1 year ago 02/22/2025 3:33pm EST

re: 2020420

anyone have a race video link to the race? I saw Powell's race, amazing. would love to see the other race too

1 year ago 02/22/2025 4:19pm EST

re: 2020420

Pretty cool to see their progression. Lots of pressure on Josiah to break 4 after running 4:09 as a freshman. Probably feels incredible to have this box checked.

Trayvon made a crazy huge jump to make this happen in the last year!

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1 year ago 02/22/2025 5:44pm EST

re: Huangdi

Huangdi wrote:
2020420 wrote:
TOSTENSON 3:57.47
KITCHEN 3:59.61
this deserves a black page. imagine telling someone 20 years ago that 3 high schoolers would break 4 on the same day, 2 of them under the old national record, and 2 of them being from the same school
i mean wtf lol

Try 10 years ago... out of the 26 U.S. boys sub-4, 21 of them have been since 2015.

We launched BBTM in January 2012 to elevate & celebrate the Mile (promote / inspire / create buzz) and standards such as sub-4, and athletes, coaches and meets answered the call not only in the U.S., but worldwide.

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1 year ago 02/23/2025 12:56am EST

re: 2020420

BU track is so bogus. It's short. Indoor track is weak- curved , cushioned track, AC, no wind.

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