I’m gonna say that the person running 90 or more MPW isn’t looking at their time spent as effort only towards 16:45. They’re probably enjoying their life and running more than other people who run that much. Good for them, they’re probably pretty happy and proud of that time too.
Yep. no matter what god gave you, it's healthy to be goal oriented in a positive way.
Eh, this is LRC so posts like this are to be expected. Not everyone is super talented so I'm going to respect anybody who is willing to put in the work. With better parents, that same runner is an all american. Also, some people just like running & it doesn't affect you in any way. The world would probably be a better place if more people were motivated to go for a run every day.
Fwiw I bet you that runner can go sub-2:40. You see stuff like this with people who come to running later in life & just start running marathons. They never fully developed their speed but there are people with much fast 5ks who are slower at the longer stuff. Conversation is more nuanced.
Depends on talent level. My daughter ran faster than that in 25-30 miles week. If you’re not a natural runner that can push yourself it could be tough.
Never really considered that something I was doing for fun required some additional ROI. You probably also start threads wondering why people do things that don’t make them more money.
Workouts shouldn't take any more time than other days. The same one hour can be a fartlek 3 minutes on and one minute off. You will cover more ground than a normal day. The other worout day each week can be a progressive starting at jog pace and working down to race pace with a one mile cool down. Again, you will cover more miles than the other one hour days.
Too many burnt out old has-beens and never-weres on here trying to ruin everyone elses enthusiasm for running
Looking at this sort of thing in the long term what I've learnt is that you don't know what return on investment from running seriously is until you see how most of your life turned out.Times and places are only part of the return. There are experiences to be had, places to go, friends to make, from running seriously. Guys I know who were world class or near to it have told me that the experiences they had and people they met are what they really value from their careers. I would add that there's a lot about yourself to be learned from devoting yourself to something that matters to you and that learning can carry over to other aspects of your life.
What people who say stuff like this don't realize is that almost any amount of mileage for any 5k time is a bad ROI if you measure value by 5k time. At that point, even 50 miles/week for a 13:30 5k is a bad ROI because it's not fast enough to make any real money.
90 MPW for a 16:45 can be a great a ROI if you do it right. It keeps you healthy, provides you with friends, gives you status in local circles, and probably just yields an overall feeling of satisfaction and happiness. Change the way you measure those returns.
What people who say stuff like this don't realize is that almost any amount of mileage for any 5k time is a bad ROI if you measure value by 5k time. At that point, even 50 miles/week for a 13:30 5k is a bad ROI because it's not fast enough to make any real money.
90 MPW for a 16:45 can be a great a ROI if you do it right. It keeps you healthy, provides you with friends, gives you status in local circles, and probably just yields an overall feeling of satisfaction and happiness. Change the way you measure those returns.
Nah 13:30 on 50 MPW is blazin. That will qualify for major championships whilst having plenty of time for recovery and doing other things in life.
If we are just talking about results v time spent (and leaving out whether the person enjoys what must be a lot of long steady/slow runs), no it's a bad ROI.
There are definitely more time efficient ways to get fit to race distances up to 5k. I rarely ran more than 50 miles per week, and ran 15:22 for 5k (40 years ago). I'm not sure that if you'd have taken me and trained me like a pro, and assuming I could have run 80 miles a week without breaking down, you'd have got me down to 15:00.
They likely wouldn't have run 16:45 if they hadn't been so disciplined and hard-working;kudos to them. I would bet my life's savings they are happier and more fulfilled than OP.
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