Kessler is a needy guy. He won't sell any product. Valby is female and very attractive. She is making way more than him. The OP asked about success. He didn't ask who would place higher.
Ummmm ... actually, OP said nothing about success or attractiveness or whatever you are talking about.
OP said: "who has more potential? What do you think, LRC?"
I really can't see how there is any debate here. Even if she were all-out trained to the max and scientifically doped to the gills with a full medical team, Valby just doesn't have the same potential as Kessler. He could definitely smoke her in any event. 50 meters to 50 miles, Hobbs Kessler definitely has waaaayyy more potential than Parker Valby.
Kessler is a needy guy. He won't sell any product. Valby is female and very attractive. She is making way more than him. The OP asked about success. He didn't ask who would place higher.
You should give it a rest. She's not going to date you regardless of how much you simp & white knight for her.
I think the knee-jerk reaction is to say Hobbs. If he puts together the right race I think he can be a real threat over 800 or 1500(more likely)
On the other hand I think Hobbs is limited to those two events. I see him more like a Centro who will realistically never venture up distances, just refine his existing skillset. Most people will say Parker will never medal in a WC or OLY, but she just made it very far through the OLY 10,000m final with the leaders, as a 22yo -> now give her 4 or 8years to get stronger, more mileage and develop more of a kick, and you can't say it's impossible, also she has the benefit of being able to move up to the HM & Marathon later in her career, if she can handle the mileage
So when we discuss potential, I'm not advocating that Parker is a clear favourite to beat Hobbs, or is going to medal / win a WMM, but I think she's in a better position here than some may initially presume - her future is very bright, while Hobbs is in events that are always, always stuffed full of talent, whether domestically or internationally, and every single year he'll be having to fend off the new collegiate kids
Good post, I agree. I think Hobbs is far more likely to medal; he was 5th as a 21 year old in a 3:29pb and ran 1:43 3x last year. I think you're probably right that he'll be like Centro and never really go up in distance, maybe except the 3k at world indoors (only 2 spots on the 1500m team, it'll be very easy to miss it). He's already just so much closer to the medals than Valby, and he's got that new 1:43 speed (rarer these days) and Hoppel as a training partner.
Definitely can't say it's impossible for Valby to medal, especially since she's had, what, 2 or 3 years of healthy training? At as sea level as sea level gets in Florida. I wish she'd have moved to altitude full time, but even just getting some altitude camps in will surely boost her. She got absolutely DUSTED in the Olympics, but it was her first global championship and after a super long season, and she still ran very well. There's no way to know how much room she has left to improve, but I'll say she looks a whole lot better coming out of college than Monson did, and Monson managed sub 14:20 and 5th at WCs (and she still has plenty of time to get better).
I think the better comparison is Nico Young and Valby, which I know has been posed here before. Both 10k Olympians as seniors in college, both held on until like 800 to go, both broke the last big time barriers in NCAA 5k/10k (13/27 and 15/31). I like Nico's chances better there too, just because he has that 1:47/3:34 speed. We just haven't seen enough of Valby in shorter distances or sprint finishes to know how good her kick is, although in the OTs we found out she at least has one to go toe-to-toe with the best in the US.
Young has already reached a level that Valby will never approach. He’s currently about 20 seconds off of the men’s 5000m WR, and 41 for the 10000m. Valby is 53 and 1:56, and just doesn’t have the leg speed to ever be comparable to Young.
I think the knee-jerk reaction is to say Hobbs. If he puts together the right race I think he can be a real threat over 800 or 1500(more likely)
On the other hand I think Hobbs is limited to those two events. I see him more like a Centro who will realistically never venture up distances, just refine his existing skillset. Most people will say Parker will never medal in a WC or OLY, but she just made it very far through the OLY 10,000m final with the leaders, as a 22yo -> now give her 4 or 8years to get stronger, more mileage and develop more of a kick, and you can't say it's impossible, also she has the benefit of being able to move up to the HM & Marathon later in her career, if she can handle the mileage
So when we discuss potential, I'm not advocating that Parker is a clear favourite to beat Hobbs, or is going to medal / win a WMM, but I think she's in a better position here than some may initially presume - her future is very bright, while Hobbs is in events that are always, always stuffed full of talent, whether domestically or internationally, and every single year he'll be having to fend off the new collegiate kids
Good post, I agree. I think Hobbs is far more likely to medal; he was 5th as a 21 year old in a 3:29pb and ran 1:43 3x last year. I think you're probably right that he'll be like Centro and never really go up in distance, maybe except the 3k at world indoors (only 2 spots on the 1500m team, it'll be very easy to miss it). He's already just so much closer to the medals than Valby, and he's got that new 1:43 speed (rarer these days) and Hoppel as a training partner.
Definitely can't say it's impossible for Valby to medal, especially since she's had, what, 2 or 3 years of healthy training? At as sea level as sea level gets in Florida. I wish she'd have moved to altitude full time, but even just getting some altitude camps in will surely boost her. She got absolutely DUSTED in the Olympics, but it was her first global championship and after a super long season, and she still ran very well. There's no way to know how much room she has left to improve, but I'll say she looks a whole lot better coming out of college than Monson did, and Monson managed sub 14:20 and 5th at WCs (and she still has plenty of time to get better).
I think the better comparison is Nico Young and Valby, which I know has been posed here before. Both 10k Olympians as seniors in college, both held on until like 800 to go, both broke the last big time barriers in NCAA 5k/10k (13/27 and 15/31). I like Nico's chances better there too, just because he has that 1:47/3:34 speed. We just haven't seen enough of Valby in shorter distances or sprint finishes to know how good her kick is, although in the OTs we found out she at least has one to go toe-to-toe with the best in the US.
Kessler ran 1:43.64 as his new PR not 1:43.3. and he will 100% be moving up over time, there certainly will be attempts at 5K , probably not many in this cycle seriously, I would expect that he will run a 5K before 2027 , he is running 3K in NB opener, focus on winning. He surely can run faster than Wolfe or Strand who have run 7:30. Right now he is easily strong enough to run sub 13:05, if you consider Murphy and Langon runs at 5K recently.
Kessler ran 1:43.64 as his new PR not 1:43.3. and he will 100% be moving up over time, there certainly will be attempts at 5K , probably not many in this cycle seriously, I would expect that he will run a 5K before 2027 , he is running 3K in NB opener, focus on winning. He surely can run faster than Wolfe or Strand who have run 7:30. Right now he is easily strong enough to run sub 13:05, if you consider Murphy and Langon runs at 5K recently.
Right, Kessler has the potential to run low or sub 1:43. He has the potential to run 3:28, 7:30, low 13:xx. He can probably run sub-48 and sub-11, potentially.
Valby doesn't have the potential to run anything like that.
Kessler ran 1:43.64 as his new PR not 1:43.3. and he will 100% be moving up over time, there certainly will be attempts at 5K , probably not many in this cycle seriously, I would expect that he will run a 5K before 2027 , he is running 3K in NB opener, focus on winning. He surely can run faster than Wolfe or Strand who have run 7:30. Right now he is easily strong enough to run sub 13:05, if you consider Murphy and Langon runs at 5K recently.
Right, Kessler has the potential to run low or sub 1:43. He has the potential to run 3:28, 7:30, low 13:xx. He can probably run sub-48 and sub-11, potentially.
Valby doesn't have the potential to run anything like that.
How are you guys even debating this?
I don't think its about who is better, or will be on the World scene, Valby is never medaling as good as she is, she is no where near really competitive yet, or ever will be? It's about I thought who was more marketable, and she may very well be that.
No comparison; Hobbs by a long shot. Parker would have run around 14:25 and 29:30 at some point in her career to compare to what Hobbs has already done a year younger.
You guys are very confused. Who has more potential? Valby will be a millionaire. She will marry some NFL player. She will make a lot of money from her running combined with her looks. Kessler will win some medals and then be a nobody at age 30.
You guys are very confused. Who has more potential? Valby will be a millionaire. She will marry some NFL player. She will make a lot of money from her running combined with her looks. Kessler will win some medals and then be a nobody at age 30.
You guys are very confused. Who has more potential? Valby will be a millionaire. She will marry some NFL player. She will make a lot of money from her running combined with her looks. Kessler will win some medals and then be a nobody at age 30.
Why do you care? You can’t buy common stock in her future.
You guys are very confused. Who has more potential? Valby will be a millionaire. She will marry some NFL player. She will make a lot of money from her running combined with her looks. Kessler will win some medals and then be a nobody at age 30.
What if Hobbs get Valby in the end? Parker Kessler.
Just answering the question. You should respond to the OP asking him why he cares. Or you should stop isiting this website if you don't care about anything.
He ran 7:39 in no man's land at 19 , that's why. two full years ago, when he was no where near yet a 3:29.x in a non set up race final. He is a much stronger and fitter guy than then. I don't think people realize how good Kessler would have been at XC , he was unbeaten in CoVid year in HS, ran 8:39 two mile with a 25.x in his last 400. He can run from 800 to 3K without question by now.
Just answering the question. You should respond to the OP asking him why he cares. Or you should stop isiting this website if you don't care about anything.
I care about how they run. You didn’t explain why it matters to you whether Valby can cash in with her good looks. It ain’t sports and she’ll never make anywhere near what the LSU gymnast makes, anyway.
I think the knee-jerk reaction is to say Hobbs. If he puts together the right race I think he can be a real threat over 800 or 1500(more likely)
On the other hand I think Hobbs is limited to those two events. I see him more like a Centro who will realistically never venture up distances, just refine his existing skillset. Most people will say Parker will never medal in a WC or OLY, but she just made it very far through the OLY 10,000m final with the leaders, as a 22yo -> now give her 4 or 8years to get stronger, more mileage and develop more of a kick, and you can't say it's impossible, also she has the benefit of being able to move up to the HM & Marathon later in her career, if she can handle the mileage
So when we discuss potential, I'm not advocating that Parker is a clear favourite to beat Hobbs, or is going to medal / win a WMM, but I think she's in a better position here than some may initially presume - her future is very bright, while Hobbs is in events that are always, always stuffed full of talent, whether domestically or internationally, and every single year he'll be having to fend off the new collegiate kids
I thought centro ran a 13:00 5k once. I feel like he could have realistically done well at least on a national stage.
Potential to win medals? That's easy. Kessler has a better shot than Valby.
He is a) already much closer to "world class" than she is, and b) races in an event where the top five in the world are usually only two or three seconds apart in any given race. That means if he can "be in the mix" he can maybe get a medal.
There is no realistic scenario where Valby can get a medal in a world where the times are 3:50 in the 1500m, 14 flat in the 5km, 29 flat in the 10km, and 2:10-2:15 in the marathon.
Valby can not run those time (no clean athlete probably can, sorry to say). It is like when the Chinese women broke the records in the 90s. There is nothing the rest of the women could do. This is not Valby's fault, but there is no magic training technique that will get her down to 13:58 or whatever the women will be running in the next few years.
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