Yesterday, ex-pro cyclist Tom Dumoulin (winner of the Giro) got 30th place in the Egmond half marathon in the Netherlands (which is a pretty difficult course, through the dunes and over the beach), in a time of 1:08:43. The day before he got 31st in the Egmond-Pier-Egmond beach cycling race, winning the combined classification. He says he runs 3 times a week, without a training schedule.
The half marathon starts on Boulevard North in Egmond aan Zee. The participants head down the main route onto the beach and run the first seven kilometres of the race on the sand. In Castricum aan Zee they have to negotiate the demanding path that leads from the beach into the North Holland Dune Reserve. From there they are on dirt tracks that lead to the Camping Bakkum campsite, where the quarter marathon ends. After that they are back on asphalt as they head back to Egmond up the steep Bloedweg road. Once they catch sight of the Van Speijk Lighthouse, there is just one more small climb. And from the lighthouse itself it’s just 200 metres to the glorious finish.
Yesterday, ex-pro cyclist Tom Dumoulin (winner of the Giro) got 30th place in the Egmond half marathon in the Netherlands (which is a pretty difficult course, through the dunes and over the beach), in a time of 1:08:43. The day before he got 31st in the Egmond-Pier-Egmond beach cycling race, winning the combined classification. He says he runs 3 times a week, without a training schedule.
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The course has the first 7km on the beach, then dirt tracks, with some asphalt later and a small climb to finish.
Some of those in top ten are pretty close to their PB's
....and look at the photo itself. Does it look like 68 pace on the sand?
When I saw this article, I thought immediately "short course" ....Tom is very strong, but 68 minutes half runner - doubtful. I would say more like 70:00-72:00 type runner.
I get what you mean, but Doumalin is a world class cyclist who is not doing easy reps on the bike, and Valby has documented how she destroys the arc for workouts, not just recovery.
You can go hard as he### on the bike, swim, elliptical, rowere, ARC on your easy, recovery day, because there is no pounding.
Swimmers hard day is 2 hours of vomit inducing intervals.
Easy day is 90 minutes of vomit inducing intervals. In base phase, even doubles both days.
Rest and recovery in running not for heart, but for your legs.
Another good one. What to TdF cyclists do on their off day? For many a 4hr bike ride.
bro saying something with excessive confidence doesn't make it true and it's amazing you suckered 8 people into thinking that
muscles get tired. obviously. it's not just the pounding that tires them out. you cannot go 2 hours hard on the bike every day.
That is so impressive. 1:08 on a hard course. I'm a believer...A good friend ran 2:33 at NYC marathon on a windy really slow day on very little running...he was a high level Cross Country skier. He had a lifetime of training under his belt but only ran 1-2 days per week for a few months before NYC. Most of his training was roller skiing and cycling.
Well he ran 1:10:04 at the 2023 amsterdam half. Not sure on the details of his prep for this race (or the course itself), but a one minute twenty second PR isn't totally outside the realm of possibility
Well he ran 1:10:04 at the 2023 amsterdam half. Not sure on the details of his prep for this race (or the course itself), but a one minute twenty second PR isn't totally outside the realm of possibility
I gave you the course details...in detail.
No one is running a PB on 7km of beach folowed by tough dirt trails and a hilly course. It is obviously measured like a Park Run
The race was won by 59:40 runner Samuel Barata in 01:02:21. I don’t know if the distance is really measured carefully. People traditionally run this race for the “battle against the elements” according to the website.
bro saying something with excessive confidence doesn't make it true and it's amazing you suckered 8 people into thinking that
muscles get tired. obviously. it's not just the pounding that tires them out. you cannot go 2 hours hard on the bike every day.
Have you not watched a tour? They go hard 21 days in a row. 1-6 hrs a day.
Weight bearing vs sitting/floating is just different. In fact biking and swimming are great recovery from running. Swimming stretches muscles and elongates spine, cycling fills leg muscles with blood to initiate muscle repair.
I get what you mean, but Doumalin is a world class cyclist who is not doing easy reps on the bike, and Valby has documented how she destroys the arc for workouts, not just recovery.
You can go hard as he### on the bike, swim, elliptical, rowere, ARC on your easy, recovery day, because there is no pounding.
Swimmers hard day is 2 hours of vomit inducing intervals.
Easy day is 90 minutes of vomit inducing intervals. In base phase, even doubles both days.
Rest and recovery in running not for heart, but for your legs.
Another good one. What to TdF cyclists do on their off day? For many a 4hr bike ride.
I know what you’re getting at, but no. You absolutely need rest and recovery on the bike too. You don’t get sore in the same way but fatigue is real. You cannot and should not blast it every day on the bike, and you shouldn’t try 3 hard days of running with 4 hard cross training days. If you’re extremely fit, yes you can do a long recovery day, but that’s the equivalent of an easy run and the length still shouldn’t interfere with your quality sessions. You have to build up to it.
There’s more to recovery than simply sore legs. There’s the hormonal response, the metabolic response, etc. I don’t know anything about swimming, but they must all burn out if everyday is a vomit-inducing hammerfest, lol.
bro saying something with excessive confidence doesn't make it true and it's amazing you suckered 8 people into thinking that
muscles get tired. obviously. it's not just the pounding that tires them out. you cannot go 2 hours hard on the bike every day.
Have you not watched a tour? They go hard 21 days in a row. 1-6 hrs a day.
Weight bearing vs sitting/floating is just different. In fact biking and swimming are great recovery from running. Swimming stretches muscles and elongates spine, cycling fills leg muscles with blood to initiate muscle repair.
Have you not watched a tour? They go hard 21 days in a row. 1-6 hrs a day.
Weight bearing vs sitting/floating is just different. In fact biking and swimming are great recovery from running. Swimming stretches muscles and elongates spine, cycling fills leg muscles with blood to initiate muscle repair.
The top bikers don´t go hard every day in a tour.
Obviously, I'm exagerrating a tad to make my point, but...
...you are right the leaders, the peloton, and the lagging sprint group may pick certain stages to rest and others to try and win.
...rest in a tour, however, is not like a runner's rest day. The leaders have to go fast enough to not let a breakaway winner catch them, and the sprinters have to go fast enough not to be dropped from the tour for a time violation.
The slowest tour days end up being faster than an all out amateur race. The average serious cyclist would not even be able to keep up on an 'easy' tour day.
A trained runner/cyclist could do:
Mon- intervals workout 10 miles w/ warm up and cooldown.
Tues- bike 2 hours hard
Wed- fartlek running workout 10 miles
Thur- bike 4 hrs hard
Fri- bike 6 hours easy
Sat- long run 10 miles
Sun - bike 2 hours hard
As long as you dat and sleep right, hard biking acts as a recovery from running.
The average speed for the entire Tour de France was 26 mph.
A serious amateur cyclist will have trouble holding 20mph in a 1 day flat race. Try sometimes riding 20 mph and see how long you can hold it.
Note: I was a high school and college runner, and moved to triathlon age group/sub elite in Europe when I started my work life.
I love running. My only claim is cross training can be great in place of easy/recovery runs, and because it's non impact, cross training can be done quite hard and still be recovery from the pounding of running. Less pounding on your feet means less injuries.
And it isn't short. I would know, because I ran it, and me and everyone around me had a GPS measuring of ±21,1 km.
The sand was just pretty solid, little tailwind there. There's practically no hills (welcome to the Netherlands) and very little dirt tracks. Total elevation of about 160 feet.
With Dumoulin you're talking about an elite athlete. It is what it is, he beat my PR too.
Nice point on cross training. You probably can increase the intensity on an easy day compared to an easy run. When swim, i tend to push it and really taxing the cardio with heart rates over 150 and feel tired after but the legs are not trashed as if I did a run with similar heart rates. An easy run for me is 120-133 ave heart rate.
Sometimes I swim hard for 30min and run easy 30min after the swim. - That could be a recovery day
World class level VO2 max. This shouldn't be surprising. I remember decades ago a pro mountain biker won a race in Central Park. It was a 4-miler. He ran it in low 20s.
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