We need an NIT meet at this rate with these nuts times, wouldn't mind watching a meet with the 3:56 guy or the 13:27 guys that misses nationals. I know IC4A's used to serve this purpose.
i watch his youtube channel. kind of disappointing that for the past two years he never even tried to lower his PR under 13:30. he was so focused on the 3k. he's a great youtuber.
Yaseen ran a 7:34 3000m and then came back later to run a 13:22 5000m. Won the 2nd race (heat 2), so maybe had touch more in the tank.
The bubble time is already 13:30.17
This is why the same times now mean a lot less than they did 5 years ago. Pre 2020 (shoes), 13:3x was a near guarantee of being a D1 All American. Technology moves on and that is fine, but the value of a 13:20 today is equivalent to 13:40 of 5 years ago, and 7:40 today is equivalent 7:50 of 5 years ago = about 10th in the NCAA. It is much more important to look at the rankings for context.
This is why the same times now mean a lot less than they did 5 years ago. Pre 2020 (shoes), 13:3x was a near guarantee of being a D1 All American. Technology moves on and that is fine, but the value of a 13:20 today is equivalent to 13:40 of 5 years ago, and 7:40 today is equivalent 7:50 of 5 years ago = about 10th in the NCAA. It is much more important to look at the rankings for context.
Yeah. I’m one of those older runners and I don’t buy the super shoes conversion thing. Especially because the shoe revolution from earlier generations was even more steep. The shoes Jim Ryun ran in compared to the shoes Alan Webb ran in are a much more stark contrast than what Webb ran in compared to today.
Prior to the internet, people really trained hard, but often nonsensically. When I was in HS, my track coach didn’t know anything about distance running.
What we are seeing now are the first internet-age runners from like 1997-2010 became informed coaches coupled with more runners entering the sport.
You have to remember prior to 2005, there was still a sweeping consensus that anything over 40-50 miles per week would cause our runners to mature more quickly and lead to burnout. Threshold training and tempos were little to none.
This is why the same times now mean a lot less than they did 5 years ago. Pre 2020 (shoes), 13:3x was a near guarantee of being a D1 All American. Technology moves on and that is fine, but the value of a 13:20 today is equivalent to 13:40 of 5 years ago, and 7:40 today is equivalent 7:50 of 5 years ago = about 10th in the NCAA. It is much more important to look at the rankings for context.
Yeah. I’m one of those older runners and I don’t buy the super shoes conversion thing. Especially because the shoe revolution from earlier generations was even more steep. The shoes Jim Ryun ran in compared to the shoes Alan Webb ran in are a much more stark contrast than what Webb ran in compared to today.
Prior to the internet, people really trained hard, but often nonsensically. When I was in HS, my track coach didn’t know anything about distance running.
What we are seeing now are the first internet-age runners from like 1997-2010 became informed coaches coupled with more runners entering the sport.
You have to remember prior to 2005, there was still a sweeping consensus that anything over 40-50 miles per week would cause our runners to mature more quickly and lead to burnout. Threshold training and tempos were little to none.
As I said, technology moves on. But a 7:34 in 2019 or before was an NCAA record and it got him 3rd in this race. His 5k would have been top 10 all time, but it ranks 9th in this meet. Both are impressive, but they cannot be compared to 5+ years ago.
This step change happened at every level of the sport (HS through Pros) starting 2020 (2016 for the road) which exactly corresponds to the release of the shoes. You are saying the feeder system for all levels changed in 1 year all over the world because people got access to the internet 15 years ago. Well, that is ridiculous.
Step changes in performance like this can ONLY be due to technology. Coaches did not have a drastic turnover or massive change in training tactics, tracks were not all rebuilt / resurfaced. That leaves shoes or drugs. But every level of the sport on earth did not suddenly get access to a new miracle drug in one year. So it is the shoes.
This guy is impressive, but the context of what is fast is different now. He is 3rd and 9th this year in the NCAA right now and destined to move down from there unless he runs faster. That is the only metric that matters.