Mexico thinks it can out tariff us - LOL!

this. short term because of passed-on tariffs their prices will rise for all the goods they buy that are made in mexico or china (toys, cars, tvs, etc.). the goods making will likely not come back here because they moved due to our labor costs. they will shift to non-tariff countries if tariffs are prohibitive. (vietnam, etc.). or be passed on where china or mexico can still make a profit despite tariffs.

i have been telling anyone who would listen that if we wanted manufacturing back here, we would either have to deflate the dollar and lower wages, such that we could compete with china, mexico, and co. on labor cost (which no one wants, to be paid less) -- or pay more for goods reflecting higher domestic wages. you have just seen from the election stompfit about inflation how well americans actually handle paying more for anything. so manufacturing is never coming back as long as we are a prosperous country with decent wages and someplace else has a comparative advantage. we won't pay what it takes.

let's be real. i don't consider what they do, "analysis." what they do is smash things they don't like then improvise from there. we saw last term how well that went. so the game here is smash NAFTA. which has been a long term hard right hobby horse. and then smash a list of other things. and i don't think they care from there on because they believe government doesn't owe you anything. your job is cope with the economic rubble.

BS. Its well understood that globalization benefitted well educated more thats why people like you like it. So dont pretend otherwise. Of course manufacturing would come back. You can put tarifs in vietnam as well. Of course it will hurt you and thats why you are whining

Instead of tariffs they might just increase the amount of fentanyl they cut into their cocaine, meth pills, etc. so that more Americans OD. Of course, the main thing that will be cutting into their economy will be the immigration crack down, as that was a major cash cow for the cartels under Biden. The cartels make up close to 20% of Mexico’s GDP.

example, i don't think they believe half the crazy stuff they spouted about covid. what i think they believe is they weren't going to let the CDC and public health apparatus look good or tell people what to do. and so you demonize public health leadership, give a megaphone to competing crackpot ideas, and pass laws where government can't have lockdowns, mandate masks or vaccines, or otherwise say "boo" to anyone.

result, some of the worst covid outcomes in the world. but this was about politics, not public health.

do you actually believe for a second

(a) drug cartels are going to ship their customers, in bulk, fatal doses? burger king might be killing its customers but it goes out of business if one burger gives you a heart attack. if you follow.

(b) that if you trim back some coyote work the cartels go out of business? they are drug cartels. the ability to control the geography allowing the coyote sideline comes from the drug side of the business. do i for a second believe that reducing their sideline puts the other segment so profitable they can control whole swathes of land with tech and armament, at any risk of bankruptcy?

(c) you folks have been sold a bill of goods. 70-80% of illegals drive through a port of entry, get a visa, and then overstay it. likewise, most of the drugs are coming in vehicles and not being backpacked across the border by folks who want to find border guards and claim asylum.

no, as john oliver pointed out the other night, we say that black folks doing drugs have cultural issues. we say that white folks doing drugs have addiction issues and blame someone else, eg, cartels. the cartels would have no market if john smith didn't want weed or black market pills or stuff that is cut with fentanyl. at some point admit your own guilt.

All you liberals are nuts. We are going to absolutely crush Mexico with this. You do NOT want to be in Mexico when the tariffs hit. There is nothing they can do, except admit defeat and capitulate. This should have been done years ago. I can't believe how much you liberals underestimate the strength and might of America.

My Walmart bill is already significantly higher than a few weeks back, for the same weekly stuff. Enjoy your future misery, Trumpists.

the class warfare stuff is lame and boring. yawn. i grew up poor and made sure i went to college and found a good paying job, to get out. you can throw around all the cliched "woke college kid" crap you want, and make sure i pay every cent of my student loans to the same government to which you hate to pay taxes, and we will have had the same motivation -- prosper from nothing -- only difference being i went to school to do it -- because i was bright enough to see the numbers where the average person following my path comes out ahead on salary.

contrary to your malarkey, i work for american owned businesses. our widgets are not made abroad.

your ilk has a basic failure to grasp that the GOP is a bosses party more concerned with trimming government and cutting taxes than actually getting workers ahead. you are just supposed to wait for the money to trickle down from the wealthy when their taxes get cut.

until then, they can offer you a $300 chinese- or mexican-made TV. which you can afford on the wage they give you. if you want an american tv, it will be a lot more, but you don't have the guys to fight for a better wage here where you can pay for american made goods.

you fundamentally do not get that we are making like 20x the salary of a chinese person and that unless that discrepancy changes -- either we ask for less, or they cost not just a little more, but about 20x more -- they are still cheaper.

Makes no Sense again. Cutting taxes benefits workers as well. Workers in companies that is. Taxes are mostly used to employ governement workers (Military included) or to fund intellectuals and their dreams. Of course businesses will also profit.

Actual cost difference is not 20x. Those times in China are long gone. Average salary in shenzhen is 1800 dollars and healthcare is included. Thats why a lot of low value adding production has moved out of china some time ago. So as you only provide wrong data i am doubtful of the accuracy of your other arguments

If this wasn't posted on a VPN, the IP address on this comment is probably from a Chinese government office.

Workers in that small industrial plant get laid off when the recession caused by these tariffs reduces the demand.

until we see the list and the reactions , who knows who the winners will be. If china slaps a 50% tariff on Boeing planes, will they switch to airbus and cost 1000s of jobs?

my guess is that in the end we all end up losers and we can fight about who the biggest one is.

An XC Champs? NOT, A Red Chinese shoe-formercial.

Between kicking out or terrorizing the migrant worker pool, and sticking tarriffs on imported goods from China and Mexico, I really want to see the look on MAGAts faces when their grocery bills remain high, they cant afford meats, and there is no one to fix there sewer lines or trim their hedges.

Every sane economist has told us tariffs are basically an added tax on goods that WE PAY.

Not Mexico and not Walmart and not Ford/Samsung/Apple etc.

obviously they would say that, don't you know that the economists are part of the intellectual elite?

Lets assume Biden has dementia and Trump doesnt.

Then explain the complete insanity that's been spewing from his mouth non-stop all thru the election season, and how no one was supposed to call it what it was. The man knows nothing. He doesn't know how a country functions, he doesn't know how to help the common man, he has a bunch of extreme right handlers who know that for whatever insane reason, hes a magnet for the disgruntled bitter M@GA crowd, and now they are ready to exploit him for every last dollar they can get.

She is way smarter than Trump

President Claudia Sheinbaum has just penned a letter to Donald Trump. It’s brilliant, firm, and unflinching — a document that will set the tone for an entirely new era of US-Mexican relations.
I have posted the English translation below:
“Dear President-elect Donald Trump,
I am writing to you regarding your statement on Monday, November 25, concerning migration, fentanyl trafficking, and tariffs.
You may not be aware that Mexico has developed a comprehensive policy to assist migrants from different parts of the world who cross our territory en route to the southern border of the United States. As a result, and according to data from your country’s Customs and Border Protection (CBP), encounters at the Mexico–United States border have decreased by 75% between December 2023 and November 2024. Moreover, half of those who arrive do so through a legally scheduled appointment under the United States’ CBP One program. For these reasons, migrant caravans no longer arrive at the border.
Even so, it is clear that we must work together to create a new labor mobility model that is necessary for your country, as well as address the root causes that compel families to leave their homes out of necessity. If even a small percentage of what the United States allocates to war were instead dedicated to building peace and fostering development, it would address the underlying causes of human mobility.
On another note, and for humanitarian reasons, Mexico has consistently expressed its willingness to help prevent the fentanyl epidemic in the United States from continuing. This is, after all, a public health and consumption problem within your society. So far this year, Mexican armed forces and prosecutors have seized tons of various types of drugs, 10,340 firearms, and have detained 15,640 individuals for violence related to drug trafficking.
Furthermore, the Mexican Congress is in the process of approving a constitutional reform to classify the production, distribution, and commercialization of fentanyl and other synthetic drugs as a serious crime without bail. However, it is publicly known that the chemical precursors used to produce this and other synthetic drugs are illegally entering Canada, the United States, and Mexico from Asian countries. This underscores the urgent need for international collaboration.
You must also be aware of the illegal trafficking of firearms into my country from the United States.
Seventy percent of the illegal weapons seized from criminals in Mexico come from your country. We do not produce these weapons, nor do we consume synthetic drugs. Tragically, it is in our country that lives are lost to the violence resulting from meeting the drug demand in yours.
President Trump, migration and drug consumption in the United States cannot be addressed through threats or tariffs. What is needed is cooperation and mutual understanding to tackle these significant challenges.
For every tariff, there will be a response in kind, until we put at risk our shared enterprises. Yes, shared. For instance, among Mexico’s main exporters to the United States are General Motors, Stellantis, and Ford Motor Company, which arrived in Mexico 80 years ago. Why impose a tariff that would jeopardize them? Such a measure would be unacceptable and would lead to inflation and job losses in both the United States and Mexico.
I am convinced that North America’s economic strength lies in maintaining our trade partnership. This allows us to remain competitive against other economic blocs. For this reason, I believe that dialogue is the best path to understanding, peace, and prosperity for our nations. I hope our teams can meet soon to continue building joint solutions.”

She just outclassed him! More world leaders should step up and call him out like this. BTW, all of her points are valid and truthful.

That dumb ape at Mar-a-Lago probably just flung a Big Mac at the wall and is feverishly retorting something like:

”Mexico’s NASTY JEW woman so called President is being very unfair to me. VERY UNFAIR!!! Build the wall with tariff money that she will pay. Looking very strongly into bigger tariffs.”

Unfortunately it's a very low bar to outclass Trump.

I am sure General Motors, Stellantis, and Ford Motor Company in Mexico will love these tariffs. Just like the average Trumpist who will have to pay them.

Oh great, a trade war.

Everyone loses.