To educate you, and you need it badly, although as I say you are trolling, Brazier won by over one second in Doha, the only time the 800m has been won by that large a margin in the World Championships, and the Silver and Bronze went to a couple of 1:42 guys. So your trolling is fine but still transparent to many of us.
Guy that came in 2nd had a SB of 145.68 in 2018, 143.47 in 2019 and 144.51 in 2020. He ran 142 in 2015 and never came close again. Guy that came in 3rd was good but Tuka was no longer anywhere close to a 142 guy
If 2024's spike technology existed in 2019, that run from Brazier might have been a world record. They hit 400 in 48.9 and Brazier still looked great.
Grant would 100% trade his 2 bronze medals for 1 gold. 100%.
I think I’d rather have Fisher’s career, but only because he’s had better health and longevity. I enjoy running and would hate to be forced to quit due to injuries. If we’re strictly talking accomplishments however, being 800m World Champion and setting the CR in a dominant victory is hard to beat.
Grant’s, as long as I can have his mental toughness. Brazier cracked under pressure and blamed it on injuries (which all the woke sycophants deny screechily).
Brazier was a world champion, something Grant can never achieve. So who cracks under pressure? Check your racism.
You have no argument so you cry ‘rayciss’. Change your panties and check to see where you lost your sack. lol. Brazier was a head case. No one mentioned race but you.
Brazier was a world champion, something Grant can never achieve. So who cracks under pressure? Check your racism.
You have no argument so you cry ‘rayciss’. Change your panties and check to see where you lost your sack. lol. Brazier was a head case. No one mentioned race but you.
LOL. I’m surprises the little wokester disn’t tell you to “do better” besides calling you raist. I’ll bet everyone around him clapped though.
Brazier was a world champion, something Grant can never achieve. So who cracks under pressure? Check your racism.
You have no argument so you cry ‘rayciss’. Change your panties and check to see where you lost your sack. lol. Brazier was a head case. No one mentioned race but you.
You brought up race first. You know you’re a racist so you brought up your woke allegations as a preemptive attempt at defense. However, it was transparent. I offered you an argument. Please learn to read.
You have no argument so you cry ‘rayciss’. Change your panties and check to see where you lost your sack. lol. Brazier was a head case. No one mentioned race but you.
You brought up race first. You know you’re a racist so you brought up your woke allegations as a preemptive attempt at defense. However, it was transparent. I offered you an argument. Please learn to read.
No one said anything about race until You did while trying to virtue signal. Do better! LOLOLOL
You brought up race first. You know you’re a racist so you brought up your woke allegations as a preemptive attempt at defense. However, it was transparent. I offered you an argument. Please learn to read.
No one said anything about race until You did while trying to virtue signal. Do better! LOLOLOL
Why was the word “woke” brought up by the poster who called Brazier a head case? What did that have to do with the subject of this thread? Brazier won a World Championship Gold medal at the age of 22. He is not a head case. If you want to say Steve Holman was a head case, maybe so. But if Brazier is, then we all should be, as he did something at 22 which was more impressive and took more courage and poise than anything you will do in your life.
Was quickly becoming my favorite track and field athlete. It really is a shame what has happened with him. I still hold out hope but with each passing season, those hopes become dimmer. Will Sumner, where are you as well.
Grant’s, as long as I can have his mental toughness. Brazier cracked under pressure and blamed it on injuries (which all the woke sycophants deny screechily).
Brazier was a world champion, something Grant can never achieve. So who cracks under pressure? Check your racism.
Here we go. Yes people here may view the World Championships and Olympics as the same, as both are "global championships". For 99.5% of the population, the Olympics rate much higher and 2 bronze medals at the Olympics is better than a gold at the World Championships. Outside of the two's medals at global championships, I'd say Fisher has done more than Brazier. Fisher is the American record holder at 3000, 5000, and 10,000. Brazier is the former American record holder in the 800.
Perhaps, Brazier will have a comeback, but Fisher is solid now and appears to be in the future.
Finally, this is a distance runner's board. The 5000 and 10,000 guy is going to be more highly valued than the 800 guy.
People that see racism in this are the ones who want to make everything about race. I'd guess every one of those guys that picked Fisher over Brazier would take Lagat's career over Rupp's.
Brazier was a world champion, something Grant can never achieve. So who cracks under pressure? Check your racism.
Here we go. Yes people here may view the World Championships and Olympics as the same, as both are "global championships". For 99.5% of the population, the Olympics rate much higher and 2 bronze medals at the Olympics is better than a gold at the World Championships. Outside of the two's medals at global championships, I'd say Fisher has done more than Brazier. Fisher is the American record holder at 3000, 5000, and 10,000. Brazier is the former American record holder in the 800.
Perhaps, Brazier will have a comeback, but Fisher is solid now and appears to be in the future.
Finally, this is a distance runner's board. The 5000 and 10,000 guy is going to be more highly valued than the 800 guy.
People that see racism in this are the ones who want to make everything about race. I'd guess every one of those guys that picked Fisher over Brazier would take Lagat's career over Rupp's.
You are really someone who needs to learn to read with comprehension. The racism was coming from one guy, not anyone who prefers Fisher’s career. The racism was palpable from “tough guy” who said Brazier cracked under pressure and blamed injuries, AND he said something about “woke sycophants,” and this is classic racist language. Perhaps an education wouldn’t hurt you.
Brazier was a world champion, something Grant can never achieve. So who cracks under pressure? Check your racism.
Here we go. Yes people here may view the World Championships and Olympics as the same, as both are "global championships". For 99.5% of the population, the Olympics rate much higher and 2 bronze medals at the Olympics is better than a gold at the World Championships. Outside of the two's medals at global championships, I'd say Fisher has done more than Brazier. Fisher is the American record holder at 3000, 5000, and 10,000. Brazier is the former American record holder in the 800.
Perhaps, Brazier will have a comeback, but Fisher is solid now and appears to be in the future.
Finally, this is a distance runner's board. The 5000 and 10,000 guy is going to be more highly valued than the 800 guy.
People that see racism in this are the ones who want to make everything about race. I'd guess every one of those guys that picked Fisher over Brazier would take Lagat's career over Rupp's.
I’m not sure about that.
Olympics definitely has a higher weighting than WCs but that’s on a per position basis. I would definitely take world gold over 1 Olympic bronze. I think two bronzes is a good debate for me personally.
Both are incredibly talented. I would lean towards Fisher's career if only for the fact that it must be incredibly frustrating for Brazier to have the injury problems he has had. If you look at Fisher, he has always progressed in a steady manner and has ultimately become a threat at the world level. Brazier looked as if he had the ability to become a generational talent along the lines of Kipketer or Rudisha, but it looks as if we will always be faced with the question of what he could have achieved if he had stayed healthy. There are so many variables that go into what is considered talent and durability is one of the most important. I suppose I would choose Fisher's career just because I think he can look at what he has done and say that he has gotten the most out of his talent, while Brazier, through no fault of his own, will probably always question what he could have achieved in the years following his 2019 season if he hadn't had the physical problems he had.
won the NCAA championship and broke the 50-year-old NCAA record in the 800 as a true freshman teenager
Dominant world championship victory and world championship record at age 22
Ran a 3:35 1500 on just 35-40 miles a week
I'd rather have Fisher's career. Although Fisher hasn't ever been the best in the world like Brazier has, the prime of his career hasn't been derailed by injuries, and he's made two Olympic teams whereas Brazier has made none. If I was a pro, my career would feel incomplete and disappointing if I never got to experience running in the Olympics.
That said, I'm still hoping Brazier can come back and at least make the 2028 Olympic team. He'll be 31 that year. For reference, Johnny Gray medaled in the 1992 Olympics at age 32.
So let's get it straight to begin with - both are/were supremely talented and both had great careers.
More talented? Brazier
Better career? Fisher
And when I say Brazier is more talented I mean we are splitting hairs right? The one determining factor I look at is where they were at college because for me personally I feel like that is a great benchmark time period where the guys haven't been through years of a specific training plan/development which when done right can really level the playing field in terms of very good talents vs super talents. Brazier ran 1.48 at high school and 1.43.55 at NCAAs and as we know, he wasn't doing a lot of running to get there. Fisher was very good collegiately but he just wasn't at that level.
Fisher has had a better career for me. He's a two time Olympic medallist and I'm not detracting from Braziers world title but the World Champs aren't the Olympics. GF has 9,5,3,3 spots across 2 Olympics over distances that are pretty difficult for non-Africans to do well in. He holds 3 American records - Brazier of course did but now doesn't. And more importantly he's still out there running. He's done a better job of maximizing his talent through training and career management (including injuries etc). I really think before forced out of the sport by injury is a massive blow to the overall stature of a career - especially at a young age (Brazier was basically done by age 24), even if it wasn't really his fault (had/put his trust in a poor coach). Grant will probably be around for LA in 28 and may be a 3 time Olympian - that would be an incredible achievement.
Braziers talent, Fishers career. That's my opinion and my reasoning.
Donavan was a tremendous talent. With more advanced training and training partners at A and M, he dropped 5 seconds his freshman year of college to smash Jim Ryun's collegiate record. It took him a while to get the strength and tactical wisdom to win championship races. But to make a better comparison to two of his more durable rivals, he reached a level that Clayton Murphy never could, while his intense short-distance training made him shine brightly and burn out quickly due to injuries as Bryce Hoppel with very significant undertraining (800 repeats around 2:12-2:15, for example) maintained at one to two seconds slower for years and then leaped up in quality just by shifting to altitude and adding good training partners. Now Hoppel, albeit with technological benefits and faster fields, has the American record and Brazier, unfortunately, hasn't raced at a high level outdoors in over four years.
I would chose the career that includes a world championship. If you ain’t first, you’re last. I’m honestly surprised how many are picking Grant. Obviously two Olympic medals is incredible, but I feel like one gold beats two bronze, even if they’re Olympic.
Just watched the podcast snippet on YT. As the guy who started that thread on Mike's podcast, I have to admit those quotes were picked because they sounded outrageous to me. Call it a bit sensationalism, but it's genuinely a good discussion you guys made out of it, so glad I did.
No one said anything about race until You did while trying to virtue signal. Do better! LOLOLOL
Why was the word “woke” brought up by the poster who called Brazier a head case? What did that have to do with the subject of this thread? Brazier won a World Championship Gold medal at the age of 22. He is not a head case. If you want to say Steve Holman was a head case, maybe so. But if Brazier is, then we all should be, as he did something at 22 which was more impressive and took more courage and poise than anything you will do in your life.
As was pointed out, YOU brought up race. You have ywt to address why? Give it up, those guys have you nailed.
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