Why does D2 get so much hate on the boards?

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you might have a point in the "middle," where the schools' grads are received more as "having a degree from a solid reputable school" and it can be a question of cost and debt and ROI plus what level of athletics you wished for.

however, there are lousy schools, or schools that are about to blow up, at one end.

and there are high prestige schools other end. which will send your kid top of the application pile at the end. which will get them a better salary. which will pay for itself.

setting aside my personal experience the better private schools tend to be the most generous with aid. eg there are elite schools with either zero tuition for students below an income, or who meet need 100% without loans. which crap schools don't offer.

to me it's one hand other hand and sometimes the folks pushing upfront expense and jucos or local state schools ignore the lifelong backend ROI question. the anecdotal "but i know a lawyer or doctor from State" arguments ignore the general pattern from State. are fewer grads of State employed? do they make less? and even if you're making the argument in good faith, you have to balance out the career and salary implications, in your profession, of settling for State. some fields, 5 years out, who cares. some fields, State will follow you to the grave. and as with suggesting kids not even do college, a kid going to State should be attentive to postgraduate salaries and employment relative to the other choices. and maybe the local LACs are overrated. or maybe it's dumb not to choose them.

my general impression is you pick a top 30 or so university or LAC and it changes your trajectory. you pick a ranked school after that, meh, not so much. my guess the employment numbers bear that out. that then goes in your ROI calculus.

the point re divisions would be, if you are chasing resume clout, D1 and D3 there are going to be dozens of their schools up in the lifechanging level. vs. D2 a handful, mines, etc.

last, if you are poor enough, as i was, then the absolute aid number, the drive out, is everything. if i am maxing out on aid anywhere i go. including State. same debt regardless. while working all summer. why am i being cheap? and the most important figure to me was what i owed the business office. my parents couldn't even have afforded juco tuition. it was always going to be me. so how much is the check day 1. my personal experience state schools were stingy. which is a lot of D2 -- western second or third tier state schools.

they have barely anything but I-AA schools and random NAIA.

I run at a D2 in Kansas in the MIAA conference. It is one of the most competitive conferences in D2 and our regional is loaded. I really enjoy being at my school and I think that the academics are good too.

At the end of the day, what is the best fit for you? Do you want to be in the competitive mix or just be on the team? As others have said if grad or professional school is your goal, then your undergrad grades are the key. You want to avoid debt at the undergrad level. Can you handle a lecture hall with 300 students or do you excel better in a classroom of 24? Do you want a satisfactory mix of academic/athletic/social life? Roster limits combined with increased funding is going to increase the performance expectations at the P4 level. If you're not elite - but want to compete, can you handle that pressure?

lets run is just full of haters. D2 is realistically the best division. It has a high level of competition but you don't have to sell your soul to a big d1 program

Because most of D2 are foreigners that are brought in to run track. Lets those Americans fill those spots

Yeah, I'd much rather run at a D2 school than Stanford, Duke, or Notre Dame

All the best schools, academically, are D1 or D3. It really is just that simple.

If the goal is to have a good job (e.g. nursing), D2 is fine.

If the goal is to make an impact (e.g. be a leader in your field, publish prolifically, etc.), D2 won't cut it. This is especially true on the east coast where credentialism is real and gatekeepers are very specific about which schools they believe produce adequate job candidates.

There are 55 people in the country that compete at those schools. Vast majority are at mid major directional state and D2 can be a better experience than those.

I've coached a DII and also visited a few DII schools when considering colleges as as student. You don't hear much about it because competitive wise, other than the top people, it's not really the top level worth discussing like DI or pro, and it seems like maybe it's smaller than the other divisions? DIII competition generally isn't interesting to watch beyond the top people either, but I think there are more of those schools and they're better accademically and likely to have larger rosters with most DIII schools using them to recruit students to the school, so that might be why you hear about those more. In terms of recommendations for students looking at schools, DII is recommended less because those schools are generally worse academically than DI or DIII. I'd say it's on par with NAIA on average. I think it's a good option to either save money or for students who aren't smart enough to get into better schools. The competition was pretty good and will be challenging enough for most people unless your talent level would put you already at the top of DII as a freshman. The school I coached at was a totally crappy school outside of a few specific academic programs though and most schools we competed against weren't much betters, so I can see why DII comes less recommended. In fairness, I've also coached at a crappy DIII school in a conference with other crappy DIII schools, so there's plenty of those as well.

And Northwestern and Michigan and the Ivies and then Virginia, UCLA, Cal, USC, Vanderbilt, North Carolina, etc.

Colorado School of Mines, Bentley University

It's wild that you don't have spellcheck at your Ivy.

Because DII sucks in the classroom and athletically.

Ok Mr Wolf of Harvard over here. I heard everyone at Harvard is gay, 90% likilhood. My anthropology professor did a study in 1982 on it. Smarter men, especially born into more powerful and wealthy families, once the wealth is over 10million the sons were all gay. Biology and genetics still are why someone is gay, but it’s the environment that allows gays to express it or hide it or whatever.
so yeah

D2 gets mixed reactions because fans have such high expectations! Some love the classic gameplay, while others feel it’s a bit outdated or doesn’t fully live up to the nostalgia. The remaster also added to the debate—some loved it, some wanted more changes. It’s a legendary game, so strong opinions are natural!

Only pseudo intellectuals think “spelling” properly is associated with increase intelligence. The most intelligent change language and create new words.
you’re just a “copy paste” thinker. lol what a troll of thought