Are you comparing someone shattering a world record to a couple of guys that didn’t even approach the world record in their events and one of them only got Bronze?
Paula’s 2:15 marathon record seemed unapproachable for a while, so 2:09 raises eyebrows.
There are probably a couple hundred American men that could break the women’s 1500m world record but only a handful that could compete with the new women’s y marathon record.
From the world and historical perspective, Hocker and Fisher don’t stabs out so much.
Up until the Olympic, Hocker was an also-run without ever breaking 3:30. He wasn't even fast enough to eat dust of Jakob and Kerr, but came this Olympic, he'd become a world beater, taking 3 secs off his PB and breaking the OR. His progression didn't make sense. At least in Ruth case, she's always pretty good in the marathon. She ran 2:18 way back in 2018 and that was the 7th fastest time at the time.
But what about Rosa? I know you guys also love playing guilty by association. Fisher came from the BTC (Burrito Track Club). I don't know how he hacked the WADA with his new coach, but he's no less shady, association-wise.
Weve heard the case for Hocker, fine, but your analogy is ridiculous. Hocker didn't run 3:23.
That’s not what he’s saying. He’s saying Kenya, despite the large amount of popped runners, is probably doing a better job at testing and catching their own runners.
We know from survey of the actual athletes they 30-50% of runners have admitted taking PEDs, yet the UK has zero banned athletes.
It’s extremely naive to think one country is doping.
Marion Jones & Lance Armstrong were never popped.
Norway, for example, has no incentive to catch their national heroes. All it would do is crush the spirits of a nation.
They caught their biggest national hero Therese Johaug, but I guess you shouldn´t let facts get in the way of a good rant...
False.
She got popped in Italy during an out of competition test. The Italians informed Norway and the Ski organization of the result.
Up until the Olympic, Hocker was an also-run without ever breaking 3:30. He wasn't even fast enough to eat dust of Jakob and Kerr, but came this Olympic, he'd become a world beater, taking 3 secs off his PB and breaking the OR. His progression didn't make sense. At least in Ruth case, she's always pretty good in the marathon. She ran 2:18 way back in 2018 and that was the 7th fastest time at the time.
But what about Rosa? I know you guys also love playing guilty by association. Fisher came from the BTC (Burrito Track Club). I don't know how he hacked the WADA with his new coach, but he's no less shady, association-wise.
race bater
a bizarre psychological condition, of Americans and Europeans, of self hate and division.
obsessed on real and imagined "racial" issues, blowing things out of proportion.
what the majority boards are saying is that the woman's marathon record is more of an outlier than male results of late, except in the 800, there is a lot of speculation about drug use there,
if a 338 1500 guy in his college years goes to 322 at age 29, you will be sure the boards will light up, as never before, regardless of the county the fellow is from.
Lol. 50 times?? When someone makes up nonsense like that, I know it's sheer propaganda. Presumably the rest too.
USADA tested Fisher only six times last year - including in and out of competition.
BS.
Fisher is tested multiple times out of competition (because he is able to compete at such a high level) and multiple times in completion (because he does well at a high level). I would guess, he is singled out by race promoters (Diamond League) to test because of the many others who are highly suspect and would ruin the reputation of the meet.
Fisher, unlike so many other runners, has much to lose given where he lives (USA), a society that doesn’t put up with cheaters, his education and intelligence level that will translate to greatness beyond his running years.
Up until the Olympic, Hocker was an also-run without ever breaking 3:30. He wasn't even fast enough to eat dust of Jakob and Kerr, but came this Olympic, he'd become a world beater, taking 3 secs off his PB and breaking the OR. His progression didn't make sense. At least in Ruth case, she's always pretty good in the marathon. She ran 2:18 way back in 2018 and that was the 7th fastest time at the time.
But what about Rosa? I know you guys also love playing guilty by association. Fisher came from the BTC (Burrito Track Club). I don't know how he hacked the WADA with his new coach, but he's no less shady, association-wise.
No one here actually has put forward any concrete threshold for what percentage improvement in time over what timeframe is too good to be true without doping.
There is only one reason why anyone concerned (or pretending as such) about doping can not do that: any such threshold will immediately declare some athletes they like as tainted and vice versa; not to mention that even if any consensus threshold emerged, it would be trivial to game it.
We already have a clear threshold for whether someone is doped to the gills: it’s called failing a test.
rojo is NOT a racist. He doesn't just ask black people if they are doping. He asked all of these if they were doping: centro, radcliffe, shelby, rupp, wejo, hocker, fisher, mantz, coe Oh, I meant to write that he "DIDN'T ask ANY of them, he ONLY asks black people" that question.
Lol. 50 times?? When someone makes up nonsense like that, I know it's sheer propaganda. Presumably the rest too.
USADA tested Fisher only six times last year - including in and out of competition.
BS.
Fisher is tested multiple times out of competition (because he is able to compete at such a high level) and multiple times in completion (because he does well at a high level). I would guess, he is singled out by race promoters (Diamond League) to test because of the many others who are highly suspect and would ruin the reputation of the meet.
Fisher, unlike so many other runners, has much to lose given where he lives (USA), a society that doesn’t put up with cheaters, his education and intelligence level that will translate to greatness beyond his running years.
6 USADA tests in2023 including OOC + IC (as per official USADA stats)
Plus six races outside of the US in 2023 -> at most 6 more tests
Up until the Olympic, Hocker was an also-run without ever breaking 3:30. He wasn't even fast enough to eat dust of Jakob and Kerr, but came this Olympic, he'd become a world beater, taking 3 secs off his PB and breaking the OR. His progression didn't make sense. At least in Ruth case, she's always pretty good in the marathon. She ran 2:18 way back in 2018 and that was the 7th fastest time at the time.
But what about Rosa? I know you guys also love playing guilty by association. Fisher came from the BTC (Burrito Track Club). I don't know how he hacked the WADA with his new coach, but he's no less shady, association-wise.
Fisher had a 4th and 5th in major championships prior to the '24 Olympics. Including him in your headline is simply stupid.
Fisher timed his kick well in two races, a 10,000 that while fast by Olympic standards wasn't anywhere close the the WR and in a 5000 that was slow. Other than a little bit faster lap than previously, his Olympic performances were in line with what he has done before. I think most people would have expected him to finish about 5th or 6th, he didn't outperform that by much.
Hocker did PR by a pretty decent amount in a race that Jakob paced it perfectly for him, but is still not in the top 10 performances of all time.
Ruth on the other hand finished 10th overall at a WMM and set a WR that is only 7.8% slower than the men's WR. In most flat events on the track, the difference is about 11%, which would indicate the women's WR would be around 2:13:50 to be in line. She ran almost 4 minutes faster than that.
why do marathon times a 2h event with male pacers have to be inline with 5000 and 10000 world record , where does that 10% and 11% come from ? it doesn't make sense
the IAAF scoring tables acknowledge that women are better relatively when the distance increase. there is no logic to saying the woman marathon record should be 10% or 11% lower than the men's.
The reason I celebrate the American victories and accomplishments IS BECAUSE THEYRE AMERICANS. I don't give a single sh-t that they're doping. But if you're cheating and not from the US then yes I'm gonna be annoyed af. Go to kenyan letsrun and complain about Hockers gold. Around here that's clean as far as I'm going to publicly admit.
why do marathon times a 2h event with male pacers have to be inline with 5000 and 10000 world record , where does that 10% and 11% come from ? it doesn't make sense
the IAAF scoring tables acknowledge that women are better relatively when the distance increase. there is no logic to saying the woman marathon record should be 10% or 11% lower than the men's.
Here are the percent difference between men's and WR in flat events. 11% seems fairly consistent.
100 - 9.5% (FloJo wind aided) 200 - 11.2% 400 - 10.6% (women haven't been close to WR for decades) 800 - 12.3% 1500 - 11.2% Mile - 11% 3000 - 11.1% 5000 - 11.2% 10000 - 10.4% (women have been attacking WR lately, hasn't been a mens WR attempt in 4 years) Marathon - 7.8%
add the half marathon in there and you see it is closer already. again there is no scientific reason why it should be exactly in line with other records. endurance is totally different to other athletics wrt gender.
why does 2h24 marathon scores like a mid 31 10k for a woman in the world athletics points table but mid 30 for a man.
a woman that runs a 10k 10% slower than a man with proper training should be able to run the marathon 9% slower than him
why do marathon times a 2h event with male pacers have to be inline with 5000 and 10000 world record , where does that 10% and 11% come from ? it doesn't make sense
the IAAF scoring tables acknowledge that women are better relatively when the distance increase. there is no logic to saying the woman marathon record should be 10% or 11% lower than the men's.
just because you don't personally understand something doesn't mean it isn't so
it absolutely makes sense in the architecture of male/female energetic potential