Impressed by Lex and Leo Young

I've run it, it's not short. However, it is pancake flat and firm hard grass, usually. So, their 23:10 is closer to a track 8k than a traditional XC course, take the result as you will.

Ummm, Gans is not pancake flat.

Man, like 15 years ago, if you went sub 24, you were on another level. Now they're saying you're garbage when you run 23 flat.

No, now they’re saying you’re garbage if you’re a Newbury park alumni.

They're born to be marketers or tech sales bros or something. Most cyclists make ~$30K in a merciless sport that beats you to pulp. They're smart, charismatic, and Stanford-educated. If they're not going to go pro in running, they'd have no trouble getting a real job.

I agree wholeheartedly, OP.

Who is evert Silva? Never heard of the guy

agreed, i don't actually recommend cycling to anyone anymore due to the inherent danger of training on public roads 20-30 hrs/wk

also, funny i stated the part in bold previously and the truth is they are ALREADY national champions as runners (high school team title right?) oops

still, they remind me of several former cyclists that were road world champs

mantz and clinger will still have eligibility 10 years after the twins finish graduate school.

Agreed. The 3k loop has some nice elevation change in the back. Spectators that stay on the start/finish berms won't see any of that terrain change though and the 2k loop is pretty flat.

The footing on the course is phenomenal though. It pretty much feels like you are running on a golf course green the entire time. The course is really wide as well. You never really feel you get pinched around turns and the turns are pretty wide and sweeping so you don't lose much speed.

I coach in Missouri. We had our first state meet at Gans Creek in 2019. I wheeled the course and it was dead on perfect by the wheel. It is a 2k loop and a 3k loop. So if the 5k is correct, then so is the 8k. It is a permanent course that never changes. It is not track fast like the road/packed dirt courses they have out west, but it is faster than most courses. The grass is fairway quality. There is a long straightaway that is run twice, and the turns are all very gentle. No big hills, but not totally flat either. It is a fantastic venue.

Track and XC times pre 2020 cannot be compared to today, 2016 for the road. The shoes changed the game.

Good for the twins. They are talented and hard working runners.

Heads up move by Stanford to scout out Gans with Nationals here next year, get the lay of the land, figure out travel details of where to eat and stay etc. Kudos to the City of Columbia P&R as well as the local schools for full support . The facility is top notch.

Of course that is for the 5k which our high school kids run. For the 8k, they run the long straightaway 3 times.

ed bird is in a different league to these dorks but why is he at such a shoddy uni. kentucky are awful, can he join a decent team?

Adam Fogg went to Drake

Josh Kerr went to University of New Mexico

Bird has a lot more potential than Adam Fogg. Fogg cant race get out of a heat, falls over and relies on charity to get through,

Bird wins medal at every champs hes ever been at. The guy is still a junior but will 100% win a NCAA cross medal before he finishes

1/10 on the troll

If Fogg was an American, he would be ranked top 10 (all time) with his 3:49.62.

So he is not bad

He is actually excellent

My point was more that there seems to be systemic xenophobia against Brits.

A lot of top level Brits end up going to uncompetitive programs.

Maybe because it’s not 28 year old British pros loaded up on EPO?

we dont want him, hes australian not english anyway. no room for a standard 1st round loser in team GB