Jakob MUST run a fast 5000m this season — why isnt he entered in Rome DL?

You're right-- I had last years Pre Classic final setup in mind with races on both days.

And to Yaaaas-- true, that 5000m was much less taxing than the other three. If it is a 5000m in the final, I'd be curious to see what the order is.

https://brussels.diamondleague.com/en/program-results/program-2024/program-2024/

1500m to start, near two hour break, then 5000m seems more conducive to a double than the other way around -- even if the Ethiopians try to break him.

I think we need to consider more modern day runners. Look at Cheptegei. He ran 12:35.60. Could he have ever run 7:17.55 in a 3000m? Jakob is just as strong aerobically as he is, except also faster in the 1500.

I think he'll get either the 1500 or mile world record this year and if he has a full year of uninterrupted training, he'll go for the 5 km next year. His poor showing in the 1500 in the Olympics has probably motivated him to do something very special in that event or the mile this year.

He might be confident he can break the 5K WR at an older age, whereas his time remaining to break the 1500 WR is more limited. So it could make sense to focus on the 1500 while he's still got the speed for it.

Also Komen ran 12:39 at a time when the world record was 12:41, and only two years earlier it had been 12:55. He was on the forefront of human performance at the time.

Runners today have been "used to" the fact that people can run sub-12:3x for 25 years now. Between that power of belief, plus the advances in shoes and training (threshold emphasis) since then I don't think we can necessarily compare Jakob to Komen and expect the ratios to be similar.

So you were worse at 5k than 3k. Thats fine, and normal, but not relevant for the reigning olympic and two time world 5,000m champion who just smashed the 3k record (one of the longest standing records) by 3 seconds! His 7:17.55 in non-ideal weather conditions is better than his 3:26.73, which shows he's better at longer distances.

He won’t do the same day double. Last year it was a day apart and only a 3K and he still needed everything to beat Kejelcha by 0.01. He then got injured from it and spent the offseason rehabbing.

He wants the DL title in the 1500 and will run it both in Zurich and Brussels. The 5K will have to wait for 2025

It seems like jakob doesn’t have any interest in the 5k record as of now because he knows it will be there for him for years to come. he may be peaked in the 15/mile so he’s trying to get those while he can

Yep, first it was he won't break 3:30, next it was Jakob will never run faster than 3:28.32, then he will never go sub 12:50, 3:27.14 will be his lifetime best, etc... I learned a long time ago not to bet against this man.

True, but this is likely the most impressive distance track time ever run, so not completely unreasonable.

Thing is Jakob probably thinks (and most likely is right) that his opportunity to run 60 secs lap for 12.5 laps will stay longer and is easier to achieve, than his opportunity to run 54 secs laps almost 4 laps in a row.

In that 3k he could have 'relaxed' a bit that last lap to a 60 (instead of a 55), and then started to slip to 62, 63, 64, 65 on the next 4 laps and he'd just need to rally a 61 to get the world record 5,000m.

Makes sense he is going for the 1500m now. As he gets older it'll be less likely to get the 1500m and more likely to still run better 5000 and 10000. You need some real speed for that 1500m record, eventually his speed will slip a bit but he'll continue getting stronger in the long distances

Why do you think Komen was more STRENGHT ORIENTED than Jakob?

Couldn´t Jakob just be significant faster on all 3 distances?

I think Jakob probably is faster at all 3 distances. Doesn't mean Komen isn't more strength oriented relative to Jakob. By "strength oriented" I just mean how someone is at longer events relative to how they are at shorter events.

Traditionally yes I agree. But Jakob is saying you can be both and that is how his training is set up, as far as I understand. He runs tons of miles, tons of threshold, and is maintaining as fast of leg speed as he can, all at the same time. That's pretty cool if you ask me. Not a lot of elite athletes could handle that, but if that is true, he is handling it just fine. I'm just glad to be witnessing all this, aren't you?

I think that's a bit bold to say he is "just as strong aerobically." Cheptegei has his 10,000m mark and his World XC titles which showcase his incredible aerobic abilities. A guy like Jacob Kiplimo has run 7:26.6 and 12:40.96, but his aerobic abilities are much better than those with a 57:30 HM (poorly paced) and how he can beat Berihu Aregawi (7:21 PB now) in Cross Country. I bet both Aregawi and Jakob beat the 5,000m World Record. The margin was a little under 4s in the 3,000 and in the 5,000 I could see it being 1-2 seconds e.g. 12:32-12:34 Jakob over Aregawi. It's harder to get a read on current-day Cheptegei as he peaks dramatically and seems to prioritize the 10,000 most of all. But the ease with which he beat Fisher and Aregawi suggests he was in 26:20 shape at worst.

I understand your point, but actually his claim is not bold at all. The guy has the last 3 global 5000 chips. Against those same 12:36/12:38/12:40 guys. I'd say that's a pretty damn good indicator of his aerobic fitness.

Not on LRC. Bunch of bitter runners-up in their Turkey Trot age groups.

I mean, Jakob isn't the first person with the idea to have both speed and strength. Some combo is required to be any decent 1500m or 5k runner. How he gets to that combo of speed and strength is very interesting and impressive, but it's not like he's breaking any laws of physiology or anything. Seems like he's just an exceptional 3k and 5k runner who does a very high level of 3k/5k training (which is usually also very beneficial for the 1500). There are plenty of 1500/5k guys out there (professionally or collegiately) and Jakob's got a similar profile to them but just better.