Komen is still better than Jakob

Jzs wrote:

Shuzy wrote:

7:20 in regular shoes is better than 7:17 in cheater shoes with cheater light.

^… this. I don’t remember all the hype, pace lights, physical pacers and 2024 spring loaded shoes when DK produced 7:20.67 nearly 28 years ago [9/1/1996]

Shuzy wrote:

7:20 in regular shoes is better than 7:17 in cheater shoes with cheater light.

Shuzy wrote:

Thank you. It’s not just the spikes. It’s the benefit of the road shoe trainers too.

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

Shuzy wrote:

Thank you for acknowledging the light. What about the shoes?

It's 3000m - 7 and a half minutes of running. These guys are so fit and efficient that the real benefit of "the shoes" is having zero impact on them performance - or you think any extra 4mm of softer foam is generating some kind of extra force that is increasing running speed by fractions of a percent?

The spikes might matter in training - reducing cumulative fatigue over the course of a season from faster track work. Maybe that was in play at this stage of the season? Either way the real reason he obliterated this record was the LED's - he still smashes the record if Komen had the same access to them - but maybe by a second and not three.

Shuzy wrote:

Jakob runs 7:22 without the shoes and light.

LarsL11 wrote:

Shuzy wrote:

7:20 in regular shoes is better than 7:17 in cheater shoes with cheater light.

Yeah, the best runner is that neanderthal that was running for his life with a sabre tooth tiger behind him.

Redonculous Maximus wrote:

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

It's 3000m - 7 and a half minutes of running. These guys are so fit and efficient that the real benefit of "the shoes" is having zero impact on them performance - or you think any extra 4mm of softer foam is generating some kind of extra force that is increasing running speed by fractions of a percent?

The spikes might matter in training - reducing cumulative fatigue over the course of a season from faster track work. Maybe that was in play at this stage of the season? Either way the real reason he obliterated this record was the LED's - he still smashes the record if Komen had the same access to them - but maybe by a second and not three.

LOL. very naive.

charlemagne35 wrote:

Don't forget that Jakob doesn't use EPO.

Shuzy wrote:

charlemagne35 wrote:

Don't forget that Jakob doesn't use EPO.

How would you know? Very possible he does.

Coevett wrote:

Shuzy wrote:

How would you know? Very possible he does.

There was literally no testing for EPO when Komen was running. He got out as soon as he made his money. You'd be nuts to think he wasn't doped to the max. Why can't a Kenyan get near 7:20 a quarter of a century later with twice the population, supershoes and all the rest? You may as well believe Koch or Kratchilova were clean. Kenyans getting popped every week in 2024, but the guy running 7:20 in 1998 with no testing chose to refrain from EPO? Get real.

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

Redonculous Maximus wrote:

LOL. very naive.

Really - you want to have a discussion on track and field spikes? Why don't you tell me what you think you know.

Erico123 wrote:

Nurmi is better than komen also, it’s just cheater shoes, modern track and good pacers that made him faster. Jk

Shuzy wrote:

7:20 in regular shoes is better than 7:17 in cheater shoes with cheater light.

Shuzy wrote:

Jakob runs 7:22 without the shoes and light.