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1 year ago 08/26/2024 9:45am EDT

re: goldeneye2.0

goldeneye2.0 wrote:
Why is that ridiculous? This entire sport is ridiculous bc you can have the most obvious doping progressions imaginable and a) the casual fans are oblivious, and b) the so-called hardcore fans are obtuse or dishonest. The issue is not how much she ran over the past two years, but the insane improvement she showed this year, well into her career where all the boilerplate explanations (undertrained, overtrained, injured, unmotivated, multisport athlete, magic late bloomer running gene, etc) are even more laughable than usual. And yes, a very effective strategy is to target a key race (say the Olympics) and then offcycle. BC the alternative is to show a major drop off or stay on cycle and risk, however improbably, getting caught.

Yeah, can't keep stoking that kiln until winter, or thereabouts...

1 year ago 08/26/2024 9:52am EDT

re: Waste of Oppourtinity

Waste of Oppourtinity wrote:
Unless she is injured, I don’t know why she’s dropping of this meet. Because since Kiypegon is not in this race, she would have been the clear favorite.

She's enjoying being back in Australia with her family.

The Olympics were her peak.

I'm sure she'll be back next year.

Don't fret.

1 year ago 08/26/2024 2:20pm EDT

re: Waste of Oppourtinity

She has just switched from Silesia to Roma.

1 year ago 08/26/2024 3:38pm EDT

re: Waste of Oppourtinity

1 year ago 08/26/2024 3:39pm EDT

re: Nothing to see here

1 year ago 08/26/2024 3:42pm EDT

re: AusieDopingKangaroo

AusieDopingKangaroo wrote:
BigDosh wrote:
She has raced as much as anyone over the past 2 seasons….but keep fitting things into your narrative mate it’s refreshing
Yes, and you can keep ignoring the blatantly obvious fact that her 'progression' over the past 11 months is extremely suspicious to anyone with a brain and is very likely due to pharmaceutical assistance and not because she moved to a different location or had a change in coaches or training methods. No f*****g way in hell this at best average runner goes from stagnating at ~3:57 to ~3:50 , setting records keeping up with Kipyegon, after years of not getting 5 meters close to her, and getting silver at the recent Olympics.
It's just that this website very aggressively protects average white runners like hull despite the obvious screaming right IN front of everyone that prevents me from calling hull the australian what she really is; a [REDACTED], rhymes with copper.
No amount of "australia is a country that would never do such a thing" will ever change my mind, they have proven very capable of the lengths they'll go to win after years, even decaded of being insignificant and irrelevant in track events.

Great post.

1 year ago 08/26/2024 3:43pm EDT

re: goldeneye2.0

goldeneye2.0 wrote:
This entire sport is ridiculous bc you can have the most obvious doping progressions imaginable and a) the casual fans are oblivious, and b) the so-called hardcore fans are obtuse or dishonest.

Not to mention the specialist media who should know better.

LRC, Citius, nobody really seeming interested.

1 year ago 08/26/2024 5:25pm EDT

re: Waste of Oppourtinity

It is late in a very long, hard season with the olympics and all. There is a couple major Diamond league events coming up including the championships. Maybe she is just tired.

1 year ago 08/26/2024 6:02pm EDT

re: AusieDopingKangaroo

AusieDopingKangaroo wrote:
BigDosh wrote:
She has raced as much as anyone over the past 2 seasons….but keep fitting things into your narrative mate it’s refreshing
Yes, and you can keep ignoring the blatantly obvious fact that her 'progression' over the past 11 months is extremely suspicious to anyone with a brain and is very likely due to pharmaceutical assistance and not because she moved to a different location or had a change in coaches or training methods. No f*****g way in hell this at best average runner goes from stagnating at ~3:57 to ~3:50 , setting records keeping up with Kipyegon, after years of not getting 5 meters close to her, and getting silver at the recent Olympics.
It's just that this website very aggressively protects average white runners like hull despite the obvious screaming right IN front of everyone that prevents me from calling hull the australian what she really is; a [REDACTED], rhymes with copper.
No amount of "australia is a country that would never do such a thing" will ever change my mind, they have proven very capable of the lengths they'll go to win after years, even decaded of being insignificant and irrelevant in track events.

A question. Are you 100% sure that she is on "pharmaceutical assistance"? The answer is no. So why are you getting so stressed out about her? Maybe you should ask yourself if you are doing an illegal thing in your own life and then projecting.

1 year ago 08/26/2024 8:24pm EDT

re: Andy5555

Andy5555 wrote:
AusieDopingKangaroo wrote:
Yes, and you can keep ignoring the blatantly obvious fact that her 'progression' over the past 11 months is extremely suspicious to anyone with a brain and is very likely due to pharmaceutical assistance and not because she moved to a different location or had a change in coaches or training methods. No f*****g way in hell this at best average runner goes from stagnating at ~3:57 to ~3:50 , setting records keeping up with Kipyegon, after years of not getting 5 meters close to her, and getting silver at the recent Olympics.
It's just that this website very aggressively protects average white runners like hull despite the obvious screaming right IN front of everyone that prevents me from calling hull the australian what she really is; a [REDACTED], rhymes with copper.
No amount of "australia is a country that would never do such a thing" will ever change my mind, they have proven very capable of the lengths they'll go to win after years, even decaded of being insignificant and irrelevant in track events.
A question. Are you 100% sure that she is on "pharmaceutical assistance"? The answer is no. So why are you getting so stressed out about her? Maybe you should ask yourself if you are doing an illegal thing in your own life and then projecting.

No but her sudden meteoric rise in the past two months at the age of 27 after being an at best mediocre ~3:57 runner her entire career screams “pharma assisted “. Keep playing dumb though.

1 year ago 08/26/2024 8:58pm EDT

re: AusieDopingKangaroo

AusieDopingKangaroo wrote:
BigDosh wrote:
She has raced as much as anyone over the past 2 seasons….but keep fitting things into your narrative mate it’s refreshing
Yes, and you can keep ignoring the blatantly obvious fact that her 'progression' over the past 11 months is extremely suspicious to anyone with a brain and is very likely due to pharmaceutical assistance and not because she moved to a different location or had a change in coaches or training methods. No f*****g way in hell this at best average runner goes from stagnating at ~3:57 to ~3:50 , setting records keeping up with Kipyegon, after years of not getting 5 meters close to her, and getting silver at the recent Olympics.
It's just that this website very aggressively protects average white runners like hull despite the obvious screaming right IN front of everyone that prevents me from calling hull the australian what she really is; a [REDACTED], rhymes with copper.
No amount of "australia is a country that would never do such a thing" will ever change my mind, they have proven very capable of the lengths they'll go to win after years, even decaded of being insignificant and irrelevant in track events.

Nah it's not "suspicious". It's "unusual", if anything. It's only suspicious for cynics. A lot of people have improved a lot this year. It happens.

1 year ago 08/26/2024 10:05pm EDT

re: Waste of Oppourtinity

She's doping. On EPO and anabolics and cardarine. I'm sure they already have positive tests of hers but sadly I don't know if they will come to light.

1 year ago 08/27/2024 12:10am EDT

re: Andy5555

Andy5555 wrote:
AusieDopingKangaroo wrote:
Yes, and you can keep ignoring the blatantly obvious fact that her 'progression' over the past 11 months is extremely suspicious to anyone with a brain and is very likely due to pharmaceutical assistance and not because she moved to a different location or had a change in coaches or training methods. No f*****g way in hell this at best average runner goes from stagnating at ~3:57 to ~3:50 , setting records keeping up with Kipyegon, after years of not getting 5 meters close to her, and getting silver at the recent Olympics.
It's just that this website very aggressively protects average white runners like hull despite the obvious screaming right IN front of everyone that prevents me from calling hull the australian what she really is; a [REDACTED], rhymes with copper.
No amount of "australia is a country that would never do such a thing" will ever change my mind, they have proven very capable of the lengths they'll go to win after years, even decaded of being insignificant and irrelevant in track events.
A question. Are you 100% sure that she is on "pharmaceutical assistance"? The answer is no. So why are you getting so stressed out about her? Maybe you should ask yourself if you are doing an illegal thing in your own life and then projecting.

No Andy, nice try

1 year ago 08/27/2024 6:06pm EDT

re: Karma Police

Karma Police wrote:
AusieDopingKangaroo wrote:
her 'progression' over the past 11 months is extremely suspicious to anyone with a brain and is very likely due to pharmaceutical assistance and not because she moved to a different location or had a change in coaches or training methods. No f*****g way in hell this at best average runner goes from stagnating at ~3:57 to ~3:50
Nah it's not "suspicious". It's "unusual", if anything. It's only suspicious for cynics. A lot of people have improved a lot this year. It happens.

OK.

Please provide one example of an established distance runner in their late 20s who has improved by this much in such a short time: ~7 seconds in the 1500.

ONE EXAMPLE, PLEASE.

(Preferably one who has raced numerous times losing at the same slower level in fast races, before their sudden breakthrough. But we can be flexible here since "a lot of people" have similar improvements according to you.)

You can even include other events, with improvements of 2 seconds per lap pace. (e.g. A full four seconds in the 800, or perhaps a 50-second one-season improvement in the 5000.)

We'll wait.

1 year ago 08/27/2024 6:28pm EDT

re: Nothing to see here

Imagine improving more between age 26 and 27 than in any other year of your entire career, since you were a college runner or actual child.

Taking of 6.5 seconds in one season, after improving by an average of 1.1 seconds per year over the prior four years, training and competing as an elite in numerous fast rabbited races?

World Athletics

2012 - 4:28.11 (age 15)
2013 - 4:27.60
2014 - 4:20.60
2015 - 4:20.49
2016 - no mark
2017 - 4:13.75 (age 20)
2018 - 4:08.75
2019 - 4:01.80
2020 - 4:00.42
2021 - 3:58.81
2022 - 3:59.31 (age 25)
2023 - 3:57.29
2024 - 3:50.83

I don't know if it's "suspicious."

But it is certainly worthy of discussion.

1 year ago 08/27/2024 7:38pm EDT

re: AusiePharmaDoperoo

AusiePharmaDoperoo wrote:
Waste of Oppourtinity wrote:
Unless she is injured, I don’t know why she’s dropping of this meet. Because since Kiypegon is not in this race, she would have been the clear favorite.
Avoiding scrutiny and testing.

Whereabouts is Nuguse?

1 year ago 08/27/2024 7:58pm EDT

re: Some get a pass

Some get a pass wrote:
AusiePharmaDoperoo wrote:
Avoiding scrutiny and testing.
Whereabouts is Nuguse?

Why would that matter?

Nuguse has improved his 1500 time by 1.22 seconds this year, not by 6.46 seconds like Hull.

1 year ago 08/27/2024 9:31pm EDT

re: Nothing to see here

Nothing to see here wrote:
Some get a pass wrote:
Whereabouts is Nuguse?
Why would that matter?
Nuguse has improved his 1500 time by 1.22 seconds this year, not by 6.46 seconds like Hull.

It matters when you miss several tests, like Yared. So whereabouts is he?

1 year ago 08/28/2024 5:27am EDT

re: Nothing to see here

Nothing to see here wrote:
Imagine improving more between age 26 and 27 than in any other year of your entire career, since you were a college runner or actual child.
Taking of 6.5 seconds in one season, after improving by an average of 1.1 seconds per year over the prior four years, training and competing as an elite in numerous fast rabbited races?
World Athletics
2012 - 4:28.11 (age 15)
2013 - 4:27.60
2014 - 4:20.60
2015 - 4:20.49
2016 - no mark
2017 - 4:13.75 (age 20)
2018 - 4:08.75
2019 - 4:01.80
2020 - 4:00.42
2021 - 3:58.81
2022 - 3:59.31 (age 25)
2023 - 3:57.29
2024 - 3:50.83
I don't know if it's "suspicious."
But it is certainly worthy of discussion.

It’s called a plateau before a big breakthrough. There are many examples of this in the sport, see Tual in the 800 this season for example.

The usual cause of a plateau is incorrectly applied stimuli, also known as doing the same training year after year.

The usual cause of a breakthrough is a new training stimulus. In Hull’s case, she properly applied an under distance stimulus for the first time.

Prior to this, her training had been endurance focussed. This can be confirmed by the lack of 800s and numerous 5000s in her recent performance history. The last season she ran multiple 800s was 2019 at Oregon.

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=12969680

1 year ago 08/28/2024 5:35am EDT

re: Waste of Oppourtinity

This is an anti-white thread. Total opposite of what Letsrun is about.

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