No. Ask yourself this question: How would Chebet fair if the first lap was 56? Distance runners are used to negative splitting. They are very unused to positive splitting and really struggle with it. WR holder Faith Kipyegon, who's run a 1:57 last 800 in a 1500 race, only has a 1:57 800 PB.
They're closing splits are impressed of as hell. But they're also all from a running start.
None of them would medal in the 800. And I think they might struggle to even make the finals
Hassan ran basically the same closing splits as them and I think she would really struggle to break two minutes. Check that I don't think she could come close to breaking 2 minutes with her current training focus
How is it a "nothing burger" that no male runner in the history of the sport who was a 5k/10k specialist could also have been an Olympic finalist over the 800 - as you are suggesting a woman runner now could be? You might be right with what you suggest but it simply raises the question, how could that be possible? If it is, what does it tell us about where the sport is? I'm old enough to remember Ann Packer winning the 800 at Tokyo '64. She was an outstanding 400 runner. It is inconceivable that it is naturally possible for a distance runner like Chebet to be similarly world-class over the 800. Only one thing makes it possible. And that is now where the sport is. Your hypothetical - which is worth asking - is predicated on that which you would rather not admit to. It is the crucial factor that answers the question. Yes - she might be a world-class 800 runner but only one thing would enable that. You don't need confirmed tests to tell you that.
Keeley didnt run a timetrial here, she ran well within herself for 600 and kicked the last 150. She is the best 800m runner in the world and won a more tactical race. She would have beaten any woman.
They're closing splits are impressed of as hell. But they're also all from a running start.
None of them would medal in the 800. And I think they might struggle to even make the finals
Hassan ran basically the same closing splits as them and I think she would really struggle to break two minutes. Check that I don't think she could come close to breaking 2 minutes with her current training focus
Hassan’s last 1k was 2:34. I’m thinking she could break 2.
Ok the thread title is a bit of a troll job, trying to get more views than “What could Chebet run for 800 and 1500?” But I honestly have to think she could have medaled in the 800, being a 58.x + 58.x race, given her ridiculous closing splits in the 5k.
And it’s not as if they walked from 2k-4k, as the last 3k was 8:22.3.
Doing some extrapolating, she ran her last 800 in close to 2:00 and her last 1500 in approximately 4:00–and, of course, she beat the 1500 goat who just ran 3:49.07 in a race that seemed perfectly suited to Kipyegon’s strengths.
I think Chebet is capable of running 1:56 - 3:49 - 8:06 - 13:55. If she can’t run sub-3:50, she could come damn close. Crazy as it sounds, I think she might have given Keely more of a challenge than Moraa or Duguma today.
I can't think of a scenario where a runner can run the last 800 in 2:00 in a 5000 like they ran and then can't run 1:56 in an open 800.
Ok the thread title is a bit of a troll job, trying to get more views than “What could Chebet run for 800 and 1500?” But I honestly have to think she could have medaled in the 800, being a 58.x + 58.x race, given her ridiculous closing splits in the 5k.
And it’s not as if they walked from 2k-4k, as the last 3k was 8:22.3.
Doing some extrapolating, she ran her last 800 in close to 2:00 and her last 1500 in approximately 4:00–and, of course, she beat the 1500 goat who just ran 3:49.07 in a race that seemed perfectly suited to Kipyegon’s strengths.
I think Chebet is capable of running 1:56 - 3:49 - 8:06 - 13:55. If she can’t run sub-3:50, she could come damn close. Crazy as it sounds, I think she might have given Keely more of a challenge than Moraa or Duguma today.
I can't think of a scenario where a runner can run the last 800 in 2:00 in a 5000 like they ran and then can't run 1:56 in an open 800.
Then why do they never compete over the distance if they could beat the very best specialists?
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No. Ask yourself this question: How would Chebet fair if the first lap was 56? Distance runners are used to negative splitting. They are very unused to positive splitting and really struggle with it. WR holder Faith Kipyegon, who's run a 1:57 last 800 in a 1500 race, only has a 1:57 800 PB.
She'd be way out the back, running the shortest possible route for the first 500m, only to pass most of the field in the back straight.
Ok the thread title is a bit of a troll job, trying to get more views than “What could Chebet run for 800 and 1500?” But I honestly have to think she could have medaled in the 800, being a 58.x + 58.x race, given her ridiculous closing splits in the 5k.
And it’s not as if they walked from 2k-4k, as the last 3k was 8:22.3.
Doing some extrapolating, she ran her last 800 in close to 2:00 and her last 1500 in approximately 4:00–and, of course, she beat the 1500 goat who just ran 3:49.07 in a race that seemed perfectly suited to Kipyegon’s strengths.
I think Chebet is capable of running 1:56 - 3:49 - 8:06 - 13:55. If she can’t run sub-3:50, she could come damn close. Crazy as it sounds, I think she might have given Keely more of a challenge than Moraa or Duguma today.
So I know that she is at a new level this year, but it might be less known here that she attempted to do the 1500/5000 double last year at Worlds (she had the bye for the 5,000 and ran the 1500 only at Kenyan Trials). She failed (finishing 5th) after winning Police Champs/Kenyan Champs in 4:06/7 at 5,000 ft. Obviously with Kipyegon and Chepchirchir it wasn’t easy to make the team, but certainly she was expected to beat out 3rd and 4th who were more like 4:00-4:01 women. She ran 14:12 eleven days later, so it’s not like she was in poor shape. So the early returns on this were underwhelming suggesting that she like some other women who can close crazy fast (Gidey 4:02 last 1500 in a 10,000) might not be as amazing as you went down. I don’t doubt she could run 1:58/3:55 at least though.
Ok the thread title is a bit of a troll job, trying to get more views than “What could Chebet run for 800 and 1500?” But I honestly have to think she could have medaled in the 800, being a 58.x + 58.x race, given her ridiculous closing splits in the 5k.
And it’s not as if they walked from 2k-4k, as the last 3k was 8:22.3.
Doing some extrapolating, she ran her last 800 in close to 2:00 and her last 1500 in approximately 4:00–and, of course, she beat the 1500 goat who just ran 3:49.07 in a race that seemed perfectly suited to Kipyegon’s strengths.
I think Chebet is capable of running 1:56 - 3:49 - 8:06 - 13:55. If she can’t run sub-3:50, she could come damn close. Crazy as it sounds, I think she might have given Keely more of a challenge than Moraa or Duguma today.
So I know that she is at a new level this year, but it might be less known here that she attempted to do the 1500/5000 double last year at Worlds (she had the bye for the 5,000 and ran the 1500 only at Kenyan Trials). She failed (finishing 5th) after winning Police Champs/Kenyan Champs in 4:06/7 at 5,000 ft. Obviously with Kipyegon and Chepchirchir it wasn’t easy to make the team, but certainly she was expected to beat out 3rd and 4th who were more like 4:00-4:01 women. She ran 14:12 eleven days later, so it’s not like she was in poor shape. So the early returns on this were underwhelming suggesting that she like some other women who can close crazy fast (Gidey 4:02 last 1500 in a 10,000) might not be as amazing as you went down. I don’t doubt she could run 1:58/3:55 at least though.
You have to remember though that the race was not paced and she led for most of it then faded.
I think after losing the 5k WR race last season they worked on injecting 64 laps instead of the usual 67/8s that have defined 5k running
I Would love to see chebet in a DL 1500m with a runner like Tsegay then perhaps the debate can be settled.
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