You can't just level drug accusations every time a collegian improves. It is not as if he drops a 1:41 at "18" or anything; he barely broke 1:45 at UVA. His time was not one of the best all time. There are many guys who run 1:45-46 in college. But he has real talent. This is a guy who ran 11.74 and 4:30s in high school while hardly training. He then ran 22 and 48 without knowing how to start from blocks. He ran 1:48 twice at UT. The following xc season, he dropped a ton of time on 50 miles per week for the first time and broke 25 for 8k. So, a guy who has excellent basic speed for an 800m runner markedly increases his mileage for the first time and suddenly has very good endurance for an 800m runner, is going to run 1:45-46 that year. Unfortunately, he was running in the xc postseason on a stress fracture (he does not quit) and that put him out for most of the track season at Tampa last year. In other words, he was already going to run 1:45-46 last year, so when he did it this year it was not a surprise at all to his coaches. It's that mileage that is allowing him to use his natural speed at the end of races, because he's not as tired as these 15-30 mpw 800m guys.
It's not that he 'barely broke 1:45', it's the way he did it
Look at how Makhloufi and Sedjati finish 800s, or look at how Katir would finish in the final 100. That's him
Look how the American with the hat finished his olympic 800 final in 1972. Look at how Andrews finished his races not too long ago.
Yet another finish where he went from 8th to near 1st (letting up because he easily qualified) with a massive kick over the final 100. Considering that the NCAA doesn't drug test at all, does anyone believe he went from 1:53 (1:48) to 1:44 in a year legitimately?
No. Everyone is on drugs. Even the half drugs work. It ruined it for me when running became psychology- you just had to brainwash slow runners that their thyroids are bad and they will take anything- ruined it for me watching my old teammate start on synthroid and they went from a fffing 16:50 5k freshman year of college and fffing 4:36 mile down to 14:30 and then worse qualifiying for the Olympic trials.
literally kids in highschool who crushed this prissy and went full ride to D1 schools- get beat by the same idiot years later cuz he’s ok “thyroid”
Ruined it for the sport. I used to think a 2:16 marathon was cool until I reaLizes all the fffijg losers take drugs to run that. Ick
Right now Cohen jogs 680m leveraging his aerobic strength and then uses his outstanding shift of gears and top speed to put together 1:44.9-1:46.5 races. The test will be if he can do this in legitimately fast races. But its a skillset that will work in preliminary rounds and 1:45-1:48 races for sure.
It's not that he 'barely broke 1:45', it's the way he did it
Look at how Makhloufi and Sedjati finish 800s, or look at how Katir would finish in the final 100. That's him
Look how the American with the hat finished his olympic 800 final in 1972. Look at how Andrews finished his races not too long ago.
Wasn't the same. You need to look at the Wottle final again. The Makhloufi comparison is more accurate. (Wottle was also the co-world record-holder at that time, so his win was not out of left-field). I couldn't believe Cohen's finish, when he passed the ENTIRE field in the last 150m - like a rocket.
Right now Cohen jogs 680m leveraging his aerobic strength and then uses his outstanding shift of gears and top speed to put together 1:44.9-1:46.5 races. The test will be if he can do this in legitimately fast races. But its a skillset that will work in preliminary rounds and 1:45-1:48 races for sure.
You're describing a formula that we might have expected from a peak Rudisha. For a runner moving up from D2 to D1 it isn't plausible. You always try not to see what is in front of you.
Look how the American with the hat finished his olympic 800 final in 1972. Look at how Andrews finished his races not too long ago.
Wasn't the same. You need to look at the Wottle final again. The Makhloufi comparison is more accurate. (Wottle was also the co-world record-holder at that time, so his win was not out of left-field). I couldn't believe Cohen's finish, when he passed the ENTIRE field in the last 150m - like a rocket.
Their splits were 52-54, his were 53.6- 53.1. They slowed down he negative split that's why he looked like a rocket to you.
Wasn't the same. You need to look at the Wottle final again. The Makhloufi comparison is more accurate. (Wottle was also the co-world record-holder at that time, so his win was not out of left-field). I couldn't believe Cohen's finish, when he passed the ENTIRE field in the last 150m - like a rocket.
Their splits were 52-54, his were 53.6- 53.1. They slowed down he negative split that's why he looked like a rocket to you.
Exactly. He hit 600 at 1:20 and the leaders were 1:19. He closed in roughly 27 while the field was about a second slower and the mass finish was 1:47. Hardly a rocket.
Watch the final 120 and how he jogged the last bit. It's not so much the time, it's the way he ran. He's not prime Rudisha
not that i think it's actually an indicator of doping, but i agree it looked cartoonish how nonchalantly he kicked those guys down - far on the outside, the multiple head turns, not straining at all
After seeing his finish ftw at NCAAs, of course I was watching to see if Cohen could pull off the same versus this field.
Over the course of his prelim there were honestly 2 or 3 times when he looked to have fallen off completely and I thought he was done for. It is very Geordie Beamish-esque how far out of it he puts himself and then comes roaring past
You're describing a formula that we might have expected from a peak Rudisha. For a runner moving up from D2 to D1 it isn't plausible. You always try not to see what is in front of you.
Huh? Rudisha was a 45s sprinter with endurance. He could kick off a slow pace sure, but the formula we are describing is done by aerobically strong 800m men. Nick Symmonds, Robby Andrews, Adrian Ben, Alfred Kirwa Yego. While none would love going out at 50.5 or faster, they could close like mad off a 52+ with a reasonable 400-600m split.
No f*cking way he's clean. Especially since he never displayed this talent
Well it was cool but probably is because he ran the preceding 400m in 53.84 which is an uncompetitive segment in a high-level 800m . Let’s see if he has another level, but right now it’s merely a gimmicky way to run the 800.
Whew! He came from way back again and is lucky he qualified for the finals. Awesome and so happy for him and Holt. Just to make the finals for both of them is a tremendous accomplishment.
A guy making improvements like this- I would believe it if he didn’t focus on running fully in HS (like played basketball and ran the 400 or something) and then took time off and/or had injuries in college and/or ran at a lower level program. Those are the kinds of things that would support a big improvement.
Shane cohen is the man!!!! Watching him come from behind is the new way of running. What happened to whitewash? Crumbled under pressure. Don't hate shame congratulate shane for working hard and not being scared of the moment
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