Nordas running 3:34 with one shoe is proof that supershoes don’t work

It’s totally individual as a 50+ former elite, Dragon Flies are worth 1-1.5 seconds for me—-per 200m. No joke. that’s how much they replace my lost elasticity and natural recoil.

They’re totally cheating and super fun.

I'm pretty sure no matter what kind of shoes you're wearing, it's easier to wear two of the same shoe rather than one shoe on and barefoot on the other. That would be very distracting.

…but I guess that Nordas can honestly say: “I can run 3:34 with one shoe on”. Without it being an exaggeration (see another of his countryman who said something about a blindfold)

So he would’ve ran 3:38 with no shoes

Carbon plated cleats were used in the NFL Combine in 2017 (when JRoss set the previous 40 record at 4.22), so I'd be surprised if the super spikes weren't surreptitiously used much earlier than 2019. To think that Jakob ran that 3:30 in 2019 without them would be silly considering there were reports of Rupp's wearing a pair of superspikes as early as January 2018.

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You are so correct. Additionally, as a fact, shoes are largely irrelevant. Whether it's zero, one, or two shoes-again meaningless. My super shoes are getting old, and I don't have the money to buy new ones. But I do have a brand new pair of ski boots. I will wear those next race.

I spoke with Oussama Meslek, Italy, after his race in Stockholm. He's a 3:33 guy and qualified for Paris O G.

He says super spikes make a significant difference. He's sponsored by HOKA.

He also said the stack height on super spikes will be reduced by 10mm next year, so times might get slower.

Rationally spikes give back less than the flats. Margins are smaller for top-end elites. We dk how well he responds to the shoes. Probably worth something like 2-3s in this race. He's usually a little further up in a field like this but obviously he's not winning this race. It wasn't worth 5 seconds. Pretty perfect weather & hard to measure the adrenaline of losing a shoe & just going for it. Maybe he just got beat.

All my PB's are in regular spikes or shoes.

Now I use Dragonfly and road super shoes. Yes, they feel faster but in races stopwatch show different thing. Sometimes I put on old fashion racing flats(Nike Flyknit Streak, Puma Liberate Nitro) and I can run as fast with them, as with supershoes.

ONe thing true for sure is that, they save calves more.

Not "pretty much the same" when running that fast.

The shoe's definitely help, 3-5 seconds in a 3000m is substantial. That gets bumped to 5-10 secs in a 5000m and 10+ in a 10000m.

No question... No debate, Lock it in!

Are you saying that Rupp ran his 13:34 in super spikes? That’s the only track performance that I can see from him after 2017

I guess? It was speculated by LR Employee #1 in an old OP in 2018 talking about Gwen Jorgensen's use of superspikes later that summer (as mentioned in the article I had posted), and 13:34 indoor after a 13:50 outdoor the year before could explain it. If there were someone who'd be heavily involved in the development of them from the beginning, Rupp would definitely be one of them.

God this is dumb.

Like surviving a car crash with a failed airbag, and declaring that airbags don't work.

I am worried for the quality of your logic and schooling tbh.

He ran 3:29 in super shoes. Looks like he loses 5 seconds without them.

You didn't read first post? With both shoes he run just 1s faster this year.

He has run 3:29 in super shoes. So his 3:34 is 5 seconds slower than he can run in super shoes.

KT tape on the soles is enough for a mile, duck tape 5k and grip tape for 10k+

Only until your feet toughen up

Nothing indicates that he is in 3:29 shape. Jakob himself had to dive to the line to run 3:29.7.

Nordas’ best indoor time was 3:37 (he ran the 1500 three times indoor)

…and his best outdoor at this point is 3:33.87, which he ran on May 10 (he was 6th). He also ran the 1500m three times outdoors