Cooper Teare 12:54.72

rojo wrote:

I posted this in another thread but will repost here.

I'm not sure why everyone is going ga-ga over Teare after this 12:54. It's certainly encouraging but the reality is 1.42 seconds behind FIsher. At the last Trials, if you were 0.13 behind Fisher, you wouldn't have made the team. In fact, in that race, Teare was closer to Fisher than he was last night (1.07 seconds back) and he didn't make the team.

I don't care about their 1500 pbs. I think based on track record you have to take Kincaid over Teare if it's totally tactical (don't think Fisher would be that stupid to let it go that tactical).

Then there is still Nur, Young, Blanks etc. But the nightmare scenario and the wildcare for all of these guys is Nuguse. If I'm all of these guys, I'd be very worried that Nuguse runs the 5000 for kicks and giggles after making the 1500 team. In a tactical 5000 at the US level, he might end up being like Jakob is at the world level.

rojo wrote:

Peach Pit wrote:

He's a 3:32 guy (at worst, expect that to get a lot faster this year), and he's never made a US 5k team, while he was the 2022 US 1500m champ. Is he gonna go for both teams again this year? Who's got a better shot at the 5k team than him? Fisher for sure, but Woody and Nico aren't 3:32 guys (and Nico is probably sticking to 10k anyway). Klecker is out. Nur stomped the field last year, but he hasn't looked quite on his game this year.

I posted this in another thread but will repost here.

I'm not sure why everyone is going ga-ga over Teare after this 12:54. It's certainly encouraging but the reality is 1.42 seconds behind FIsher. At the last Trials, if you were 0.13 behind Fisher, you wouldn't have made the team. In fact, in that race, Teare was closer to Fisher than he was last night (1.07 seconds back) and he didn't make the team.

I don't care about their 1500 pbs. I think based on track record you have to take Kincaid over Teare if it's totally tactical (don't think Fisher would be that stupid to let it go that tactical).

Then there is still Nur, Young, Blanks etc. But the nightmare scenario and the wildcare for all of these guys is Nuguse. If I'm all of these guys, I'd be very worried that Nuguse runs the 5000 for kicks and giggles after making the 1500 team. In a tactical 5000 at the US level, he might end up being like Jakob is at the world level.

Peach Pit wrote:

Why are you comparing current Fisher/Teare to the 2021 field? Even if you do, Teare is nearly 20s faster than he was in 2021, and was only 1s off the team in 2021 behind Chelimo, Kincaid, and Fisher. Chelimo went on to medal at the Olympics, but hasn't shown that form since then. What kind of track record are you using to take Kincaid over Teare in a tactical race? The 2021 trials? Teare was the 2022 US 1500m champ in a 3:43 race. I agree that I don't think Fisher lets it get that tactical, but even if he did, I still take Teare.

I've thought some about Nuguse doing the 5k. He seemed pretty against it after BU, but even if it's a 13:40s race, Teare would have to worry about Woody and Nuguse. He's outkicking Fisher in a slow race every time, and he's probably outkicking Woody too. You don't have to care about 1500 pbs, but 1500 pbs matter more than 5k pbs if the race is tactical and it turns into a mile race with a 2 mile warmup.

I don't know how you can say on one hand that you don't care about 1500 pbs, then say you're worried Nuguse runs the 5k even though he hasn't shown any particular prowess at the 5k. You're going off of his 1500 success and nothing else. Especially when comparing him to Jakob at Worlds, who has won two years in a row because he's the best miler in the field, and the field lets it turn into a mile race.

rojo wrote:

Peach Pit wrote:

He's a 3:32 guy (at worst, expect that to get a lot faster this year), and he's never made a US 5k team, while he was the 2022 US 1500m champ. Is he gonna go for both teams again this year? Who's got a better shot at the 5k team than him? Fisher for sure, but Woody and Nico aren't 3:32 guys (and Nico is probably sticking to 10k anyway). Klecker is out. Nur stomped the field last year, but he hasn't looked quite on his game this year.

I posted this in another thread but will repost here.

I'm not sure why everyone is going ga-ga over Teare after this 12:54. It's certainly encouraging but the reality is 1.42 seconds behind FIsher. At the last Trials, if you were 0.13 behind Fisher, you wouldn't have made the team. In fact, in that race, Teare was closer to Fisher than he was last night (1.07 seconds back) and he didn't make the team.

I don't care about their 1500 pbs. I think based on track record you have to take Kincaid over Teare if it's totally tactical (don't think Fisher would be that stupid to let it go that tactical).

Then there is still Nur, Young, Blanks etc. But the nightmare scenario and the wildcare for all of these guys is Nuguse. If I'm all of these guys, I'd be very worried that Nuguse runs the 5000 for kicks and giggles after making the 1500 team. In a tactical 5000 at the US level, he might end up being like Jakob is at the world level.