just going apples to apples - OLY standards are 13:05 and 27 - I'm assuming that "formula" is balanced - as you inferred - 5k time X2 + 1 min is a good rule of thumb
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noah_jerome wrote:
I did this exact thing thanks to supershoes, but my 10k PR is about 4ish minutes slower so not very impressive 😂.
32 minutes for the 10k us a very good time, don’t let this elitist and hyper negative message board tell you otherwise
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Do any of you aspire to anything in your lives? Do you ever dream of bigger things? Hell even in running I guarantee you every single person sh*tting on him has had thoughts in their mind going into a training cycle of what they could be that was well beyond what they were currently at.
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Bruns wrote:
Delusional. wrote:
His 5000 PR is 13:24 and he’ll have to average 13:30 pace for twice the distance
A 13:24 guy cannot break 27 of course not. He will need to increase his fitness to at least 13:00 IMO.
I'm rooting for Cole. It's certainly possible for a 13:24 guy to break 27:00.
Weldon once broke his official 3k pb in the midst of 10,000.
As it stands, Wejo's 5000 pb is 13:54 and he ran 28:06. So wejo didn't quite do what Cole is trying to do but it can happen.
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Dennis Reynolds the real one wrote:
Do any of you aspire to anything in your lives? Do you ever dream of bigger things? Hell even in running I guarantee you every single person sh*tting on him has had thoughts in their mind going into a training cycle of what they could be that was well beyond what they were currently at.
Yes, it's important to believe you are faster than you actually are as long as this does not result in poor training and racing strategy. Perhaps a good way to describe it is that you should strongly believe in your *capacity* to achieve any given fitness level.
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rojo wrote:
Bruns wrote:
A 13:24 guy cannot break 27 of course not. He will need to increase his fitness to at least 13:00 IMO.
I'm rooting for Cole. It's certainly possible for a 13:24 guy to break 27:00.
Weldon once broke his official 3k pb in the midst of 10,000.
As it stands, Wejo's 5000 pb is 13:54 and he ran 28:06. So wejo didn't quite do what Cole is trying to do but it can happen.
In fact, I just read an article about the Japanese 10,000 Trials which were held over the weekend.
In that race, Kazuma Maeda set a new Asian U20 record fo 27:21.52. His 50000 pb is 13:46.71.
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He’s better than 13:24 — his 2022 seasons were solid, and ran 13:24 indoors, 13:25i in a championship setting. If he is back to the form he was in that year, I think he has 13:10ish capacity. 27:00 is a reach but he can run 27:20s.
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rojo wrote:
rojo wrote:
I'm rooting for Cole. It's certainly possible for a 13:24 guy to break 27:00.
Weldon once broke his official 3k pb in the midst of 10,000.
As it stands, Wejo's 5000 pb is 13:54 and he ran 28:06. So wejo didn't quite do what Cole is trying to do but it can happen.
In fact, I just read an article about the Japanese 10,000 Trials which were held over the weekend.
In that race, Kazuma Maeda set a new Asian U20 record fo 27:21.52. His 50000 pb is 13:46.71.
9:55 PM PST - Men’s 10,000 m
Erik Linden - 64:09 - Pacing
Cole Sprout - 27:42.42
Matt Pereira - 27:45.77
Futsum Zienasellassie - 27:52.70
Isai Rodriguez - 27:52.92
Kartik Kumar - 28:01.90
Casey Clinger - 13:17.36
Thomas George - 28:06.26
Matt Baxter - 28:10.05
Saul Acosta Muro - 28:17.60
Christian Ricketts - 28:17.78
Daniel Chaves Da silva -28:19.30
Ryan Johnson - 28:20.70
Andrew Colley - 28:26.27
Aiden Reed - 28:27.02
Andre Waring - 28:30.57
Luis Orta - 28:32.46
Joseph Trojan - 28:35.16
Afewerki Zeru - 28:36.84
Ryan Kutch - 28:36.93
Joseph Minor - 28:43.31
Arturs Medveds - 28:45.67
Alejandro Ambrosio - 13:56.94
Christopher Maxon - 28:55.71
Jacob Heslington - 29:07.89
schedule is pacific time:
5:50pm - Men's 800m (section 4)
5:55pm - Women's 800m (section 3)
6:00pm - Men's 800 (section 3)
6:05pm - Women’s 800m (section 2)
6:10pm - Men’s 800m (section 2)
6:15pm - Women’s 1500m (section 3)
6:23pm - Men’s 1500m (section 3)
6:30pm - Women’s 1500m (section 2)
6:38pm - Men’s 1500m (section 2)
6:45pm - Women’s 5000m (section 2)
7:05pm - Men’s 5000m (section 2)
7:35pm - Men's Steeple (section 2)
7:45pm - Men’s Steeple
8:00pm - Women’s Steeple
8:15pm - Foundation Women’s 800m
8:20pm - Foundation Men’s 800m
8:25pm - Women’s 1500m
8:35pm - Men’s 1500m
8:45pm - Women’s 5000m
9:05pm - Men's 5000m
9:20pm - Maurten Women’s 10,000m
9:55pm - Maurten Men’s 10,000mLivestream of this event are at runnerspace - link below
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He is already delusional with those hideous Jakob-inspired tattoos.
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I'd be more concerned that pacing is going to be nowhere hear 27 flat pace. Is anyone else in the race going for it? Do we know what the pacing for the night of the 10,000s is going to be? I might go there.
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I'm not trying to be facetious but this is exactly why I come to LRC. A 13:24 guy can break 27:00 but Jakob will never beat any of El G's records. It's just priceless. I'm not hating on the guy, I hope he does it, but just like everyone is saying about Jakob, he doesn't have the shorter event success...yet. But for some reason he gets a pass where Jakob doesn't.
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rojo wrote:
I'd be more concerned that pacing is going to be nowhere hear 27 flat pace. Is anyone else in the race going for it? Do we know what the pacing for the night of the 10,000s is going to be? I might go there.
Likely 27:00 Oly Q, as Charles Hicks recently stated that is his goal in his post-OR Twilight race video interview.
Imagine there will be pacers for those chasing the Oly Q as well as pacers for the rest of the field.
And, pacing lights.
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Fan Out West wrote:
rojo wrote:
I'd be more concerned that pacing is going to be nowhere hear 27 flat pace. Is anyone else in the race going for it? Do we know what the pacing for the night of the 10,000s is going to be? I might go there.
Likely 27:00 Oly Q, as Charles Hicks recently stated that is his goal in his post-OR Twilight race video interview.
Imagine there will be pacers for those chasing the Oly Q as well as pacers for the rest of the field.
And, pacing lights.
Not seeing Hicks on the entries list
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Podcast in 2021 wrote:
rojo wrote:
In fact, I just read an article about the Japanese 10,000 Trials which were held over the weekend.
In that race, Kazuma Maeda set a new Asian U20 record fo 27:21.52. His 50000 pb is 13:46.71.
9:55 PM PST - Men’s 10,000 m
Erik Linden - 64:09 - Pacing
Cole Sprout - 27:42.42
Matt Pereira - 27:45.77
Futsum Zienasellassie - 27:52.70
Isai Rodriguez - 27:52.92
Kartik Kumar - 28:01.90
Casey Clinger - 13:17.36
Thomas George - 28:06.26
Matt Baxter - 28:10.05
Saul Acosta Muro - 28:17.60
Christian Ricketts - 28:17.78
Daniel Chaves Da silva -28:19.30
Ryan Johnson - 28:20.70
Andrew Colley - 28:26.27
Aiden Reed - 28:27.02
Andre Waring - 28:30.57
Luis Orta - 28:32.46
Joseph Trojan - 28:35.16
Afewerki Zeru - 28:36.84
Ryan Kutch - 28:36.93
Joseph Minor - 28:43.31
Arturs Medveds - 28:45.67
Alejandro Ambrosio - 13:56.94
Christopher Maxon - 28:55.71
Jacob Heslington - 29:07.89schedule is pacific time:
5:50pm - Men's 800m (section 4)
5:55pm - Women's 800m (section 3)
6:00pm - Men's 800 (section 3)
6:05pm - Women’s 800m (section 2)
6:10pm - Men’s 800m (section 2)
6:15pm - Women’s 1500m (section 3)
6:23pm - Men’s 1500m (section 3)
6:30pm - Women’s 1500m (section 2)
6:38pm - Men’s 1500m (section 2)
6:45pm - Women’s 5000m (section 2)
7:05pm - Men’s 5000m (section 2)
7:35pm - Men's Steeple (section 2)
7:45pm - Men’s Steeple
8:00pm - Women’s Steeple
8:15pm - Foundation Women’s 800m
8:20pm - Foundation Men’s 800m
8:25pm - Women’s 1500m
8:35pm - Men’s 1500m
8:45pm - Women’s 5000m
9:05pm - Men's 5000m
9:20pm - Maurten Women’s 10,000m
9:55pm - Maurten Men’s 10,000mLivestream of this event are at runnerspace - link below
Man that field is rough for anything close to 27 minutes. It's like a college 10K race. Wouldn't be surprised if they end up running like 27:50
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Bruns wrote:
I'm not trying to be facetious but this is exactly why I come to LRC. A 13:24 guy can break 27:00 but Jakob will never beat any of El G's records. It's just priceless. I'm not hating on the guy, I hope he does it, but just like everyone is saying about Jakob, he doesn't have the shorter event success...yet. But for some reason he gets a pass where Jakob doesn't.
Certainly both can be true.
A talent like Sprout can still be positive about his prospects, if healthy and coming off good training...
...and Jakob can indeed threaten El G. Jakob is still young, he still prs every year, and he is in range of El G now with other guys in the field to push too.
It's not like either of these guys is a 4:20 miler claiming they will make the Olympics.
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Fan Out West wrote:
rojo wrote:
I'd be more concerned that pacing is going to be nowhere hear 27 flat pace. Is anyone else in the race going for it? Do we know what the pacing for the night of the 10,000s is going to be? I might go there.
Likely 27:00 Oly Q, as Charles Hicks recently stated that is his goal in his post-OR Twilight race video interview.
Imagine there will be pacers for those chasing the Oly Q as well as pacers for the rest of the field.
And, pacing lights.
It’s paced for the Trials standard of 27:45. Not 27:00. The pacer isn’t entered in the entry list either.
Somebody listed Eric Linden as a pacer a few posts above, he is not the pacer. These real shot of hitting the OQ in the 10k in the US is only at The ten, the timing is just bad once we get closer to the Trials.
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He's not delusional. He's just ha-lucy-nating. Sub 27:00 is in the card(inal)s!
#stopcole
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Hicks? wrote:
Fan Out West wrote:
Likely 27:00 Oly Q, as Charles Hicks recently stated that is his goal in his post-OR Twilight race video interview.
Imagine there will be pacers for those chasing the Oly Q as well as pacers for the rest of the field.
And, pacing lights.
Not seeing Hicks on the entries list
He said he would be there.
Chelimo as well.
But, this guy will be there:
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Fan Out West wrote:
Hicks? wrote:
Not seeing Hicks on the entries list
He said he would be there.
Chelimo as well.
But, this guy will be there:
Here is the schedule -- last races of the night are the UK/Paris OLY races -- but note that the entry link has the 2023 entries so has yet to be updated:
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Fan Out West wrote:
Fan Out West wrote:
He said he would be there.
Chelimo as well.
But, this guy will be there:
Here is the schedule -- last races of the night are the UK/Paris OLY races -- but note that the entry link has the 2023 entries so has yet to be updated:
Here’s the link to the 2024 entries for the Night of 10K PBs. Seems like the organisers have accidentally linked to the 2023 start list. Hicks is on page 2.
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