These were both incredible runs for their times, and stacked up similarly to the best Americans and best in the world. Uhl was very slightly closer to the AR and WR of 2010, but the difference is almost negligible.
Times don't really matter. What matters is being the best during your "era". Top American runner or Top World runner.
I think Deena Kastor and Joan Benoit are still the best two American woman marthoners
that we have ever seen. More recently there have been some faster times but those faster times are not placing them on the world stage like Deena And Joanie.
These were both incredible runs for their times, and stacked up similarly to the best Americans and best in the world. Uhl was very slightly closer to the AR and WR of 2010, but the difference is almost negligible.
31:12 - 30:32 (Flanagan) = 40 seconds
31:12 - 29:31 (Wang Jungxia, doped) = 1:41
30:50 - 30:03 (Monson) = 47 seconds
30:50 - 29:01 (Gidey) = 1:49
Flanagans AR at the time was actually 30:22 not 30:32, and kolls was 31:18 not 31:12, so was a 56 second difference. That being said i dont know the american all time list from 2010 off the top of my head but i want to say that only like Deena, Kara and Shalane had ever gone under 31. I would believe koll was in the top 5-7 all time when she ran that and i do remember feeling like it was mind blowing for a collegiate runner.
on the other side, people keep using wave lights as an example of something valby benefitted from, but if you watched the race there definitely werent wave lights and this was not a race set up for her to run very fast at all, save for having pacers which was also extremely common place in a 10k in 2010. I dont remember if koll had them that day but i believe the race was at stanford (perhaps payton jordan?) at a time when that served the role in american running that now is served by the ten — it was THE place to go to run a fast 10k. It was the same year stanford/nike set up an extremely curated 10k effort for rupp with several pacers (where solinsky famously broke 27 and bairu ran the candian record).
the shoes do make a difference. 28 second is a LOT tho. Since shalane’s 30:22 in ‘08 the AR has only gone down 19 seconds, so 28 is obviously a significantly bigger drop
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The best comparison is where it stands on the world list for the year and percentage difference from the WR on that date. My guess is that Uhl was higher on the world list and closer to the WR.
“Lisa Koll, of Iowa State”,did not have pacers that night (although she had raced the distance previously.) On the same track two years prior, “she set the American Collegiate record with a 32:11.13 effort. Koll's two 5,000-meter splits were 15:51 and 15:27.”; it was an impressive run:
PALO ALTO, Calif. ? She did it again. Iowa State distance runner Lisa Koll shattered the collegiate record in the 10,000-meter run Friday night, winning the event
While you do have a point…I truly feel as if ANY records (regardless of surface, be it track, roads, XC) set with designated pacers/wavelights for ANY % of the total race distance SHOULD be archived with an asterisk, given the obvious psychological benefits.
The use of super-shoes doesn’t warrant an asterisk, for it is the natural evolution of footwear, nothing more. Meanwhile, “point-to-point/net downhill” aspects of road races of ANY distance shouldn’t warrant an asterisk, given that undulations in elevation are an INTRINSIC part of ROAD racing (similar to XC)…if one wishes to avoid undulations, one should simply seek the track.
How long would the pacers have to go for for younto get the asterick? Has any womens world record been paced for much more than half the distance? Men typically can get paced a bit longer. Tough to get good womens pacers. You basically have to be a world top 5 woman just to pace a world record attempt in the 10k through 5k.
How long would the pacers have to go for for younto get the asterick? Has any womens world record been paced for much more than half the distance? Men typically can get paced a bit longer. Tough to get good womens pacers. You basically have to be a world top 5 woman just to pace a world record attempt in the 10k through 5k.
Men do get pacers for longer that is a good point.
I don't think having pacers should get an asterisk, it is way too common and a part off the sport.
How much under 30 is Valby gonna go when she turns pro. I think she is the best American talent ever.
Wait, didn't you hear? Her training style will never work at next level! Although currently she is better than nearly every American woman at 10k in her first 10k. So guess we won't be hearing that old trope anymore.
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